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[archaeo]

I recently noticed, after obtaining GPS data for Mont Blanc, that the Newgrange and Avebury complexes share their great circle with Mont Blanc.  A line from Newgrange to Mont Blanc, as precisely as I can determine, would transect The Sanctuary and pass between Avebury and Silbury Hill.

I'm curious about immediate reactions to this info.  What do you think, coincidence or intentional?  And after greater consideration, does your thinking change?

Download tools to give this closer scrutiny at:
http://jqjacobs.net/.../neolithic.html

[Diego]

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[kevin.b]

With the advancement of gps and the ability to align everything around the globe, will it remain as ALTERNATIVE?, or will it become accepted that all the megalithic sites are aligned to a matrix sytem that encompasses this planet and out everywhere?
I know by what I detect through my dowsing that they do, modern technology will confirm this, then perhaps you all will listen to the dowser, ancient mankind was super dowsers, attuned to nature.
Encoded in the megaliths are messages from people who are now dust, simply listen to them, they are our forefathers .
Kevin

[archaeogeo]

Diego, on 13 September 2006, 15:45, said:

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Well, that was an immediate reaction.

Why did you place this in "Alternative Theories" if you don't mind explaining?  It is not a theory, it is geodetic fact.  

Was it because of the dowser's comments? It would be nice to have one discussion w/o that sort of personal reality/alternate theory interjection.

[archaeo]

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.... will it become accepted that all the megalithic sites are aligned to a matrix sytem .....
I know by what I detect through my dowsing ....... [/quote]

Re Matrix:  Never.  A matrix system is a set of numbers or terms arranged in rows and columns.  And sensu matris, dye or mold, seems off base too.

Re dowsing:  However, "only you" can know that.  That is a personal, alternate reality I, for one, am not interested in, or having repeated every time I make a post.

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[Nigel]

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Why did you place this in "Alternative Theories" if you don't mind explaining?  It is not a theory, it is geodetic fact.

But isn't it an unremarkable one? There is a straight line between every two ancient sites and if it is extended it is bound to cross something "significant" sooner or later. In this case it was a mountain, not even an ancient site. It could have been anything though.

Even if it had been a very significant ancient site, three in a line of anything isn't particularly significant - since the line is formed by the "luck" of the positioning of just one, not three so its bound to happen here and there.

I guess it was considered an "alternative" theory since posting it signalled a possible suggestion that the commonplace was significant. Had there been four, five or six ancient sites in a dead straight line then it would have become progressively less speculative and more certain that "something" was going on. However i suspect the very best leylines can't get up to five...

[kevin.b]

I replyed to this when it was in the alternative section, If I am not even allowed to comment here, whats the point of a forum?
What can't speak, can't lie, once it becomes easy to navigate google earth by extending lines set between two fixed points, and carry that line on and on, then we will see?
Kevin

[Nigel]

"and carry that line on and on

That last bit rather illustrates the point I was making. Carrying the line on and on sounds to me like a search for evidence to "prove" a pre-determined assertion, not a scientific investigation. If the line goes far enough it will cross something. So?

[kevin.b]

Nigel,
        When the ability to navigate google or flashearth is available, we will see what we will see?
Heres a lovely spot ?, to start from, the exact centre of the market cross.
http://www.claverley.org.uk/
Kevin

[Nigel]

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Nigel,
        When the ability to navigate google or flashearth is available, we will see what we will see?
Heres a lovely spot ?, to start from, the exact centre of the market cross.
[url="http://www.claverley.org.uk/"]http://www.claverley.org.uk/[/url]
Kevin
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Kevin,not quite sure what to make of you posting an image of the butter cross in my native village, 20 yards from my childhood bedroom window... It would be good if you explained.

Anyhow, your link didn't work for me, but here's another [url="http://www.picturesofengland.com/England/Shropshire/Claverley/pictures"]http://www.picturesofengland.com/England/S...verley/pictures[/url]
Not sure why the exact centre of that is a good place to start from, as its 14th century. Was your forgotten knowledge being used as recently as then?

Personally, if I believed in that stuff I'd start with the famous Norman frescoes in the church or its Saxon font or the 2,700 year old Yew Tree right next to it, but none of them is in a line...

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[kevin.b]

Nigel,
       The bit on the top of the cross may well be 14th century, but under it is much older, much much older.
Dont you like jousting?
Depends what you think they are jousting against?
I owe you much, you gave me measurements, I would never have found them without your pushing, I will give you history of where you live.
I guarentee at a minimum , 13 lines through the cross, possibly 21, or 34, hopefully 55.
At the minimum, you will have 26 directions, I guarentee alignments, my gift to you who I admire so much.
Kevin

[kevin.b]

Sorry meant to add,
the font will be over a well.
The yew will be precisely at one of the points where the floor plan of the church is set out to, I admire the yews, ever so much.
Once the ability to navigate at angles is available, I will come to Claverley, my grandfather was born in a house in West Brom, it is still there, in 1875 , he ran off with Buffalo Bills circus, the hopi taught him WELL, it is coming out in his grandson, I will know what the house he was born in aligns with, nearly east/west Nigel?
Kevin

[Nigel]

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Nigel,
       The bit on the top of the cross may well be 14th century[/quote]

No, the top half dates from about 1958 actually, I saw them do it!

I haven't lived in Claverley for donkeys years but I know every inch of it.
So are you going to tell me how/why you suddenly posted that?

Are you my stalker? I've always wanted one but no-one answered the adverts and I was hoping for one of the feminine persuasion....

Have you actually been there, or are you into remote dowsing?

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On 13 September 2006 at 11:33, Archaeo wrote:

What do you think, coincidence or intentional?

I would give it to coincidence on this one, at least for the purposes of scientific explaination.

In order for them to have done this intentionally, their society would have had to've been far less compartmentalized than I think it was.  And their ability to accurately determine longitude, well developed.  I have found as you have, J Q Jacobs, on archaeogeodesy, which takes up the longitude issue; but regard it with circumspection: If these methods work, were they in use there?  And if so, why did they not line up more monuments, to demonstrate their hand with the 'magic'?

The latitude of the Avebury complex was, I think, important to them, as it's a seventh portion of the globe from the equator.  (And this can be fairly easily determined.)  But longitude, (again, I think), was dictated by circumstances.  Particularly: its proximity to the pre-existing Windmill Hill ceremonial site, the gypsey river Kennet, (and Swallowhead Springs), as well as, more speculatively, the abundance of chalk and small spiral-shelled mollusks... And of course the boundries of their territory, (whatever these were).

On the other hand; one could, in a "Mr. Spock" way, assert that the spiritual energy invested in Mont Blanc by its locals, and in NewGrange by its, established a circle upon Gaea, (and the collective subconscious), which made further monuments likely.  There's little proving or disproving that, at this point, but it's well into the Alternative realm.

[kevin.b]

Anew,
        Welcome to the alternative realm.
I have no idea if any such being as God exists, but I like this saying from the quoran.

Light upon light, God guides whom he will to his light.

So how does he/she do that?

I have a few thoughts about that, they are what you may call "alternative"

All of which will align with the origonal post.
Kevin