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[Awen Evenstar]

When visiting our local stone circle at Duloe, for the full moon on Friday evening, we were amazed to say the least, to discover a ninth stone had been added! A tiny stone now sits in between the largest stone and the smallest. A notice had been pinned on the board saying the baby stone had been found buried nearby on 25th September and returned to it's rightful place 'with her two sisters' and that a larger stone lay nearby. We're not sure what to make of this and have left the link to our website at the circle in the hope that these people may contact us. My family and I are Druids and we visit Duloe on each of the eight festivals of the year and MANY times in between and are keen to meet anyone of a like mind in the area. If any of you guys know anything about this new addition, could you please contact us on our family website? http://www.freepower...om/thedruidsoak

I hope you guys don't mind me posting the link here but we really would like to get in touch with these people.

Blessed be

Awen Evenstar aka Eagle Owl

[traveller]

I was there during the spring during a spot of family history digging as my family came from Gwenapp. Not sure what to make of that either, I’ve done a little digging but found no reference to the ninth stone as yet. I’ll let you know if anything turns up.  It’s a lovely little circle, in a very quiet spot too.

[Awen Evenstar]

Absolutely! The energies there are fantastic too

[Diego]

If you'd like to discuss earth energies and so on, please start a new thread on the appropriate section of this forum (Alternative Theories). This is for discussion of archaeology only.

Thanks!

[tyrebagger]

Diego, on 9 October 2006, 19:28, said:

If you'd like to discuss earth energies and so on, please start a new thread on the appropriate section of this forum (Alternative Theories). This is for discussion of archaeology only.

Thanks!

Is the unauthorised erection of a stone into a Scheduled Ancient Monument ok for this forum then?  

[kevin.b]

As I understand it?
A vicar uprighted and positioned the stones ( eight ) presently known as Duloe?
What would he know about what and how they should be aligned?
Is there a known formulai for the position or alignment of stones?

Perhaps someone who also knows about how to position and align stones has positioned a needed ninth stone?
Do you KNOW if they shouldn't?
Is everything set in stone, as such, and cannot be amended?
Can you ( and by you I mean anyone looking at this ) state WHY the stone circles were constructed, and thus what their design parameters are?
If you have the faintest idea, please spit it out.
I do not mean to be confrontational, I am genuinely interested, and wonder if there is any notion as to Why?
If the design parameters could be established, then a reasonable argument for the preservation or amendment of what is presently to be found at stone circles could be advanced?
If not are we just to stay frozen in time, and preserve the status quo ?
If the reason that the stone circles exist is at all to do with the manipulation of unseen energies?, how do you know if they are doing good or harm?
Maybe your own mortality hinges on understanding and re-learning the reason WHY.
Or is this thinking ALTERNATIVE?
Alternative to WHAT?
Kevin

[Diego]

tyrebagger, on 9 October 2006, 22:37, said:

Is the unauthorised erection of a stone into a Scheduled Ancient Monument ok for this forum then?  

We have little power to stop people erecting "new" stones at Scheduled Ancient Monument sites. If you are concerned about it, please send your complaint to English Heritage, calling their phone number 0870 333 1181 or by email to customers@english-heritage.org.uk.

You can also write details of your complaint on the Customer Feedback Form  and either hand to a member of staff or post to:

English Heritage
Customer Services Department
Freepost WD214
PO Box 569
Swindon, Wiltshire, SN2 2UR

[Nigel]

Heritage Action picked up on this story from here (thanks Diego!) and have contacted the authorities.
http://www.heritagea...topic.php?t=402

[Diego]

Nigel, on 11 October 2006, 10:48, said:

Heritage Action picked up on this story from here (thanks Diego!) and have contacted the authorities.

Thanks Nigel - that's the way to do it. According to the post on HA forums, someone has got a reply from Nick Johnson (Cornwall Archaeological Unit). He confirmed that if they have dug into the site to re-erect, then this will constitute criminal damage, and that they will investigate ASAP.

Please keep us posted too about the real situation at the site!

[Nigel]

Diego, on 11 October 2006, 17:25, said:

Please keep us posted too about the real situation at the site!

Will do. And if anyone from here gets down there before us and takes a photo please post it here.
That's even more the way to do it!

[Amberle]

I don't quite know what the fuss is about. My Mum (Awen Evenstar) was only asking if anyone knew anything about it 'cos we want to meet the people.

If you thought she was criticising, then she wasn't, 'cos we all love the fact it's there and it looks really at home. Sorry if there was any confusion, but we only wanted to find out who had put it there and get to know them. No harm has been done to the site, so no one think that for a minute. It was only found nearby, not even in the field we don't think. Certainly not in the circle. There is no change to the circle itself, so what is the fuss about? It sounds like you think the circle has been dug up completely, but it hasn't. Only that someone has found a small stone and placed it in the circle. So why are you fussing? There is no problem with the circle. No need to fuss guys!!! We go there regularly and we are used to the spirits and we talk to them. There has been no unhappieness from the spirits, in fact they seem happy about it. So why are this 'Heritage Action' people contacting the authorities? What's the matter? Why is it wrong to put the stone there? Why don't you try finding the people that put it there and ask them how they know it belongs there before you even THINK about moving it? I think you ought to talk to the spirits before you Dare to take that stone away. It belongs there, I can feel it. You lot obviously can't. What is the problem with it being there, eh? I'd like to know what your problem is.

Blessings

[Awen Evenstar]

Thank you Amberle. Yes, when I made that post, I was merely asking if anyone knew anything about the new stone. We were quite surprised to find it there as we visit it so regularly Duloe is our local circle and is extremely important to us. Therefore, we were hoping to meet the people who did in fact place the ninth stone within this beautiful circle, in the hope that we could discover how/where they found it in order to decide if we think it really did belong there or not. Unless that is possible, I cannot see how anyone can judge either way. I'm not saying the ninth stone should be there or that it shouldn't. What I AM saying is that every stone circle has a guardian spirit and you may think I'm daft if you wish but the guardian spirit of Duloe circle made contact with me back in April this year and I communicate with him on a regular basis. I am concerned that the spirits of the circle could be upset by any interferences here. By interference I mean groups of people marching in and out and possibly digging around the site. The circle is in a privately owned field after all and the farmer does have livestock in there sometimes. He is quite amiable for us to visit the site but I would hate for too much publicity to draw people to the circle for the wrong reasons and thus spoil it for us regular visitors who revere the site. This is not intended to offend anyone, merely to suggest a gentle approach.

Blessed be

Awen Evenstar

[kevin.b]

Awen Evenstar and Amberle,
                                           Heritage action and others on this site will do no harm to the circle, they are commited to protect.
It would be of great assistance if you could impart some of your knowledge to them, preferably on the section of this forum headed " alternative"
Forgive them , for they could not know.
They will view any alteration to the status quo of any sites as damage, I know and you both know this is not the case, but the overwhelming majority of people have no comprehension of what you are capable of.
You are the fortunate ones, help, if they will listen, those that are not as fortunate as you , please.
Blessings to you both.
Kevin

[tyrebagger]

Amberle, on 21 October 2006, 14:05, said:

I think you ought to talk to the spirits before you Dare to take that stone away. It belongs there, I can feel it. You lot obviously can't. What is the problem with it being there, eh? I'd like to know what your problem is.

Blessings

I know how difficult it can be to convey emotion properly in forum posts, but you may want to consider how aggressive your last line sounds. The 'problem' we have is people vandalising ancient monuments because they are 'certain' they know everything there is to know, and that they are certain how best to treat a site.

It wasn't entirely clear from the OP whether this new stone had been firmly erected into the circle, or was indeed just stood there. I have big 'problems' with the former and few with the latter. This is why the matter was taken forward so it could be investigated-I don't know if the CA has visited site or not, but if so they would obviously see that no damage has been done.

I'm glad you can chat to the spirits, I'd love to know what else they have to say, but the first question that springs to my mind is how do you know they are telling the truth? How do you know it is 'their' circle? People lie, and I'm sure spirits can too-be careful before being so dogmatic.

Please remember that this circle is not yours to do with as you see fit, anymore than it is mine. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, laid by those who were sure that they were right.

As I say, if the stone is simply sitting on the ground, fine, I really don't mind, but we do have to be vigilant about people imposing their own beliefs upon these sites in general, without first consulting like-minded people-on forums like these perhaps?

William Stukeley was a great man, and I have a huge amount of respect for what he did, but he does have a certain case to answer....

[Nigel]

Not sure what poor old Stukeley is being accused of (apart from a few porkies) - he was the opposite of a vandal and we owe him much - but I do agree strongly with much of what you posted.

Yes, of course stones shouldn't be dug out and of course they shouldn't be unilaterally planted in a circle (unless its an official, well-informed restoration project) everyone agrees about that - but as you say, it wasn't clear that hadn't happened from the account given so asking the authorities to check it out was the right thing to do.

If in fact its just a case of someone finding "a stone" and placing it amongst the others that's not a hanging matter but its best not done IMO. For one thing, its against all of the various guidelines for visiting ancient sites which can be summed up as "leave no mark of your visit". That's just plain good sense IMO since we all share these places so why should anyone change them for the next person that visits?

Someone might think they talk to a spirit there. Others (Kevin) might think they have special insights. No problem, but that shouldn't lead anyone to change things physically for all the rest of us. The sites belong to all so the only reasonable attitude is to tread gently and change nothing.

One man's "appropriately placed new stone" is another man's litter and can't be justified IMO.