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[Nigel]

Kevin. I'm sure you know that scientific method precludes you from selecting, designing or vetoing a test method so there's no more to be said I'm afraid.

[kevin.b]

Nigel,
         Was merely suggesting ideas, the place and the time will present itself
It would be really good to actually meet you , sort of feel I know you now
If you think of a place or a method, keep it in mind, but not wandering about blind folded looking for buried buckets of water, I am toatally not interested in any such stunts, just reality, reality that you doubt.
Just been into Banbury through St Marys church yard, there is a plaque to a Jonathan Swift, he wrote about a giant in this church yard, and it was straight lines of rope that held him down, amazing amount of lines through this spot, its sort of inspirational.
Kevin

[Nigel]

Unfortunately, "wandering about blind folded looking for buried buckets of water" is just the sort  of scientific test that has been willingly undertaken by zillions of dowsers worldwide, without success, so I'm afraid that's the only sort of thing I'd be suggesting. So we'd better leave it at that.

[kevin.b]

Nigel,
         Just to make something crystal clear, I dont feel the need to prove anything.
You are the one who wants me to.
I am far happier pushing out the barriers, exploring the possibilities, than conforming into some rational box.
I really appreciate the way Anew thinks, He explores all avenues, hopefully to be found in fact, but always nudging at the edges of known fact.
You may feel I am beyond any known fact, out in my own little world, beyond even pale moonlight?
The thread is about the moon, and comets travelling along their pathways, I consider these types of events crucial to furthering knowledge of the sites, but not just visually, most of the people of the planet look at everything through their eyes, and they all agree about what they see, but still nobody can say why the sites were built.
I dont visit sites on a night when the moon is big and bright, I prefer when its not visable at all.
Then I can see in another way the magic of that blob in the sky.
The tides are our biggest clue, you can see the result of the moon happening upon the liquid water.
I have been out at night at places similer to the Swallowhead, and waited, its spooky out on your own in the middle of nowhere, but worth it, my rods tell me the timing of the moon that I cant see, it alters them, swings them right round, and up from the ground comes a bubbling water, wow, you should taste that stuff, its stuffed with positive life enchancing aether, and then its gone again.
This is not rocket science, its nature in the raw, we have totally forgotten Her.
I can't sleep when I find these sort of things, my mind goes into overdrive to work out whats causing what I find.
It's almost as though the two sides of my brain are transferring knowledge across, one side knows , the other has to be informed and then rationalise it, perhaps we all know most things, but just dont access it?
I don't feel the need to prove what I have just written, I have worked out what is causing it to happen, it is a sort of magic, but natural.
Kevin

[Nigel]

"I dont feel the need to prove anything."

Nor I to believe it!

(So we're stuck!)

[kevin.b]

Nigel,
       I view you as the ultimate sort of challenge, I dont need to prove, nor do I need you to believe.
What I hope is that you consider, keep in the back of your mind what this strange annoying person keeps waffling on about.
It's all totally understandable how the knowledge of the megaliths, that I percieve, has alluded everyone.
We are almost  totally entrenched in a material world, and because what I detect is omni-present, able to pass through all materials, it wont appear as existing at all.
Your Mr Newton and Einstein are totally and magnificantly correct as far as the material world is concerned, but staggeringly wrong.
I can't produce fancy sums to back that sort of claim up, but I am getting there , I am on a roller coaster ride of learning that is taking me in some strange directions, it doesn't need a rocket scientist to understand what I detect, it is everything and everyone, easily understandable why it has been given a God force name, but by simply not recognising it, we have drifted through time into mumbo jumbo ways of dealing with it.
It made everything, it sustains everything, it desires to assist everything that it made.
The megaliths are all about life and death, but not how we now look at them both.
It has a very simple and straight forward method of arriving here and super compressing to form matter, it is been pushed to the limit with nuclear , we are re-releasing what it has taken it millions of years to compress here, all with absolutely no need, we just have to recognise it.
I consider all the ancient tales of fiery dragons etc, are spot on about this system, it wont be messed with, it will rid the planet of any persistant problem, in a blink of an eye.
Everything is positive and negative, held together through attraction, loosen that basic binding and all will return to sender.
The megaliths and more clearly the norman churchs are standing clues, clues left by people who glimpsed the truth, the megalith builders will have revered what they realised made them, and to me , had a basic knowledge of how to manipulate the system for alls benifit.
The churchs thought they had contacted God.
If you open your mind to these possibilities and realise that you are dealing with machines of manipulation, made of very specific materials, precisely aligned to concentrate and re-direct that which almost all say doesn't exist, except walking talking antenae.
Kevin

[shiny]

Cropredy went out one day

to view the world from a different angle.

[kevin.b]

Shiny,
          It is very interesting when you do look down your rods on any of the alignments, nature reveals clues if you have the sense to look, always in dead straight lines, but they cross multi fold, and form polygons, that get ever smaller.
89 angles I look down on a reguler basis.
Kevin

[Anew]

Nigel, thanks for your ideas.

I had viewed the Silbury-Lunar discussion at TMA, but didn't want to intrude.  Sorry it didn't work out as hoped.  It remains possible, to my mind, that the moon rising over the Hill as viewed from its reflecting pond, (rather opposite in direction than the Sanctuary), would have been a compelling spectacle.

Vis-a-vis tornadoes, you've mentioned that before.  Certainly these would have been impressive to them; but are British twisters common and powerful enough to warrant such a display?  Also: it's my impression that twisters tend to skip a bit in rolling terrain, ("God's yo-yo"), but that cursii were built over and through what they met... It would be more persuasive if some definably spiral feature was associated with them; just as the comet hypothesis would benefit from a compact head and fanned tail.


Kevin,

You have the role of believer, to these, belief is fact.  (Be careful in this, for it is possible to believe anything.)  I like that you perceive "gravity" near the stones -- but am sure it's psychological.  (A stone actually does have its own, slight, gravitational field.)

As I have said before, you provide a, possible, window into ancient thinking; but as we cannot flee into the past, it is well not to rest too many laurels on their heads. We have the present to deal with, and must be competent.

[Nigel]

Anew, on 23 November 2006, 21:37, said:

I had viewed the Silbury-Lunar discussion at TMA, but didn't want to intrude.  Sorry it didn't work out as hoped.  It remains possible, to my mind, that the moon rising over the Hill as viewed from its reflecting pond, (rather opposite in direction than the Sanctuary), would have been a compelling spectacle.

Well its pond is actually a moat so such a thing could be visible from any position. I agree about compelling. And very appropriate for round there. (Are you familiar with the term Moonraker for people who live in Wiltshire? Its a nice story.)

Regarding tornados this is Terence Meaden's idea (he also of the faces on the Avebury stones, but he is also a meteorologist). It intrigues me greatly.
"are British twisters common "
Bizarrely, we're world champions! But mostly small, of course.
"and powerful enough to warrant such a display? "
Only rarely, which doesn't help the theory, but a couple of years ago I saw one and had a moment of revelation - it split into several, they moved apart and coalesced, and i thought the two tracks of the two extreme ones might make parallel (and then randomly divergent) tracks reminiscent of the sides of a cursus. So maybe, you don't need a big tornado to make a wide track to be commemorated by a cursus, you just need two small ones??

"it's my impression that twisters tend to skip a bit in rolling terrain, ("God's yo-yo"), but that cursii were built over and through what they met... "
Is it the terrain that causes the skipping or does it simply skip randomly? I don't know.
Recently one de-roofed all the curry restaurants in the balti belt in Birmingham, skipped, and took off a church spire 30 miles away!

[Anew]

Nigel, on 24 November 2006, 5:35, said:

Well its pond is actually a moat so such a thing could be visible from any position. I agree about compelling. And very appropriate for round there. (Are you familiar with the term Moonraker for people who live in Wiltshire? Its a nice story.)

Regarding tornados this is Terence Meaden's idea (he also of the faces on the Avebury stones, but he is also a meteorologist). It intrigues me greatly.
"are British twisters common "
Bizarrely, we're world champions! But mostly small, of course.
"and powerful enough to warrant such a display? "
Only rarely, which doesn't help the theory, but a couple of years ago I saw one and had a moment of revelation - it split into several, they moved apart and coalesced, and i thought the two tracks of the two extreme ones might make parallel (and then randomly divergent) tracks reminiscent of the sides of a cursus. So maybe, you don't need a big tornado to make a wide track to be commemorated by a cursus, you just need two small ones??

"it's my impression that twisters tend to skip a bit in rolling terrain, ("God's yo-yo"), but that cursii were built over and through what they met... "
Is it the terrain that causes the skipping or does it simply skip randomly? I don't know.
Recently one de-roofed all the curry restaurants in the balti belt in Birmingham, skipped, and took off a church spire 30 miles away!

"its pond is actually a moat"
Yes, it's a moat which broadens into an irregular pond to the west... If this was not simply a construction expedience, it could be they had something ceremonial in mind.

"Moonraker"? Sure I'll hear it.

"faces on the Avebury stones," and mushrooms, not axes perhaps, pecked into a sarsen of Stonehenge.  (All worthy of a thread of its own.)

"world champions!"
Congratulations, on that and on your sighting.  Although I still favor the comet proposal, I understand that "seeing is believing".  It's a bit like me and the moonring: "It must be."

What makes a twister skip?  Before scanning through: this, I would have been more certain of my views; but, in weather it seems the exception is the rule.  Even so: I'm inclined to say that anything which complicates airflow at the ground, (trees, uneven terrain, restaurants), would be a factor favoring a skip -- not that it will necessarily happen, and probably not before the tornado has tested the obstacle.  (In doing so, it must also loose some of its strength at ground, all other things being equal.)  Though I'm not supported by my reference in saying so, I still feel they reach peak efficiency and stability over flat, open terrain, (all other things being equal) -- and doubt their ability to carve uninterrupted through forest unless they're both strong, and probably, slow.  However, one or more could have planted this idea in people's minds.  Thus the cursus as commemoration, (if not invitation), becomes plausible.

[kevin.b]

Anew,
        Glad your back,
Just returned from wandering around Silbury and its close cousins.
I got wet, very wet, but it was not Silbury that was interesting, its this other one they have called silbaby.
Its linked to west Kennet long barrow, very linked, I BELIEVE, I like your warning about been a believer, reminded me of the monkees song .
I wandered around this other hill best you can, its all overgrown, and loads of rubbish dumped on it, shame because its working better than silbury is ( they,ve broke that )
Four seperate flows travel from silbaby and hit west kennet , one along the facing stones, one each into the two side chambers ,river side, and the last one into the end chamber, I would have checked more thoroughly, but a bus full of school kids suddenly came screaming into the barrow, like a loads of wasps, when I went outside they were crawling all over the stones, I must have been listening to Nigel, as I had words with the teachers , who calmed them down and told them not to climb on the stones, I left laughing, sort of imagining Nigel been there, and steam coming out of his neck.
Went to the sanctuary, I BELIEVE there are 34 leylines centred through it, with many seperate incoming and out going flows, the out going flows all go to the adjacent barrows and to some spots where barrows likely were.
Either my rods are broken, or when I go near silbury I have reason to BELIEVE, its broken.
There are flows from silbaby to the sanctuary as well, I BELIEVE it needs ver thorough investigation, but I'm just a BELIEVER, so its up to you if you believe me.
Kevin

[Nigel]

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I left laughing, sort of imagining Nigel been there, and steam coming out of his neck.[/quote]
No steam if they were just on the grassy top, not the stones. Its all modern reconstruction. And I've sat there myself, so it must be OK...

.... and watched Concorde, on one of its very last flights, pass precisely and exactly overhead, which was food for poetic musing. I expect they were navigating along a Ley Line!

Interesting you should think Silbaby was connected to WKLB.
See this -
[url="http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/39497"]http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/39497[/url]
and this -
[url="http://photos1.blogger.com/img/257/1659/640/Silbaby%20Magic%20Lines.jpg"]http://photos1.blogger.com/img/257/1659/64...gic%20Lines.jpg[/url]

However, since Silbaby is yet to be investigated and proven to be prehistoric we had both better tread carefully for now.

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[kevin.b]

Nigel,
         Exactly at right angles is spot on, just off north/south.
From the other side of the barrow ( which is covered with fresh chalk? ) when I looked down my rods , I could see a lone tree on the hilltop, the same four flows come into the other side of the barrow as from silbaby.
I actually suspect it should be silmummy, but I,M a believer , the kids were everywhere.
I have a copy of the excavation and re-build of west Kennet, found it in a charity shop.
1956 by Stuart Piggot.
I went today, half expecting silbaby to be nothing, I left better informed and thanking this wonderfull spot, for a little more clues, and for you and Pete G for pointing it out.
I knew there were these flows at West Kennet, but it is difficult to get to all the spots where they come from.
If you can consider that directly through the face stones occurs a specific occurance that also happens at the side chambers and the end chambers where these flows run, because the self same alignment of flows is coming in from the opposite sides, My rods go in exactly the opposite directions as normal.
I have checked this at many barrows and churchs.
The barrows enterance slab is always aligned to the first one of these occurances, they accumulate the flows potential, the same in churchs at the alters.
Because this happens at barrows, once I find the main alignment line ( at west Kennet it is just off east/west) I know where the barrow enterance is/was, also a crossing point will occur smack on the face of the centre front stone, its easy to spot at WKLB .
The occurance where silbaby is centred is natural, I consider they may have needed to lift the whole situation up to avoid earthing down by the Kennet, there are natural earthing spirals there, but most of the flow is travelling over them, without the hill been raised , the bulk of the potential would earth.
I am sorry if this is hard to contemplate, but who ever built these things was very advanced, all the remnants found may be the labourers who undertook the work, but the brains will rarely do the chores.
Kevin

[Nigel]

Did you happen to notice Silbaby isn't round but might have facets - you might be able to get an idea here - http://www.themodern....com/post/33298
like Silbury has -
http://www.english-h...ow/ConGallery.9

I'm pretty sure, but no-one else has said so. It needs looking at when the grass has died down.