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[kevin.b]

OCD,
      You are bang on, dont doubt yourself, i did for too long, so many ridiculing, they know nofink.
About 1 in 3000 will ever be able to do what you can, dont waste it, go with the flows.
The churchs are built upon a position in between several points of earthing, the underground water is mainly hydrogen, the most powerfull substance there is, the aether is able to clip onto the hydrogen, and be transferred via crystals etc.
If you wander around a norman church, see if you can find the four points that it is built to, and then think water, and find where the font is and near the alter.
They dont like you in the churchs, it frightens them, you are le sorcier.
Are you left handed and partially dyslexic?
Its all about using both sides of the brain, not just one side, the side rarely used is going at one hell of a pace, try to keep up.

kevin

[ocd]

kevin b

Generally speaking my spelling is ok although I do have a tendency once in a while to read a clock back to front, also I'm right handed but the pendulum gives me the responses the opposite way around to most dowsers I think.
Each day is a journey further into the unknown (which most people seem to resist), I am generally more interested in "intangible dowsing" and the energy and the why? of ancient sites. When I say "intangible" I think I'm using someone else's term because I find it very real myself.

Having said all that I visited "castle an dinas" near st columb with a friend who is interested in history mainly related to battles and warfare. He'd never dowsed before and it took him about 10 minutes before the rods responded for him, we then went on to dowse for the cheiftans hut and the entrance and water within the hillfort. We dowsed for the age of the hut and time period of it's use, we both got the same results - interesting, we then went to "castledore" and got the same results at every turn when looking for structures and arrow heads ect.

Archaeoligists are missing a trick with tangible dowsing - by the way we didn't dig anything up, before anyone accuses us of destroying ancient sites!

I'm going to try to get out this weekend and try some of your suggestions - thanks

  ocd


p.s have you ever dowsed the big bang theory?

[kevin.b]

OCD,
         I only ever use dowsing rods, and try to stick to working out what is moving them.
I cant seem to get a pendulem to move at all.
I suspect this is me resisting, as I have enough on my plate with the rods.
Kevin

[ocd]

kevin b

I found the pendulum fuzzy at first, the rods just moved for me there was no denying it. The pendulum has it's place and can be very useful especially for map dowsing, I found I had to activate it with 3 different responses. This made it a more positive tool for me
1 hold it in front of you and ask for a "search" response-it'll either stay still or rock back and forth, which ever it does is your response
2 hold it in front of you and ask for a "yes" response-it should then change from your "search" response to a circular rotation
3 hold it in front of you and ask for a "no" response-again it should change from your "search response to a circular rotation, the opposite way to "yes"

It should activate for you with practice

I find a short pendulum 3 to 4 inches long easier to work, if you get into pendulum dowsing T.C Lethbridge is well worth a read - there is a whole "rate" system of dowsing whereby everything living or dead gives off an energy field of between 0 and 40 inches. By setting the length of the string from the top of the pendulum to your fingers you can dowse for specific things if you know their rate.
Objects give off multiple energy fields eg you would give off one field for "man", another for "life" and another for health ect. You can also impress energy fields onto objects, Lethbridge found sling shot stones at an iron age fort that had fields for mica, man, and violence he deduced these stones had been used by men only during the iron age. The weapon of choice for women was not the sling shot.

some of the stones he dowsed were used 2000 years before hand and they still had the energy fields of the people who used them

how much is there out there to explore - we have eternity

ocd

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This post picks up after a few years' absence from the subject ; and significant new work and discovery at the site .



Please see : This post, from the Achaeo News forum , and this page from the BBC . TMA has a discussion of the recent work and accompanying book here ; and a page on the site . Our hosts' page on the site .

Although i don't have the book or complete knowledge of the recent work, the revelation that the mound was built in at least 15 phases reminds me of the carved 'nested U-shapes', considered in a Knowth thread in this forum ; and of a similar symbol at the right wrist of a woman's sleeve tattoos, (considered in a Prehistoric India thread in this forum) .

It may be worth considering if Silbury Hill held symbolism linked to the idea of pregnancy –– the growing womb . This could work well with the snails found in its core, as their shells exhibit the spiral 'growing curve' ; and from given perspectives can resemble both a firm breast and a hard scrotum –– two fine fertility symbols –– with the extension of the animal from its shell resembling a prominent third . It also seems to work well with the idea that people were bringing dirt and stones there from far places, possibly as gift items –– to be included in the womb . Winterbourne Stream's sudden and often mysterious floods could have greatly enhanced this symbolism –– these could have been interpreted as the 'water breaking' prior to birth .

If the above has merit, one may also consider whether ringed cups and concentric stone circles were further expressions of this . Particularly as the ringed cups are sometimes tailed –– as though representing in one design the penis that brought the pregnancy within the womb .

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It is a stretch, both temporally and geographically, but i think the burial of an infant described in the thread Xinjiang Uighur Region Finds may have aspects of commonality with Silbury Hill . For a first thing, the contrasting red and blue bonnets it wears, (the red beneath the blue), remind me of the layered building of the Hill . For the basis of others, one may turn to pages 11 to 13 of Diary of a Dean, (Dean John Merewether), available on Google Books ––

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The first 75 feet were cut through the natural and compact bed of chalk—the structure of the original hill; but at that distance the upper line of the tunnel cut into the surface of the original hill, which was clearly marked by the vegetable mould, and upon that by a layer of bluish clay about 2 inches thick, very soft and tenacious, which represented evidently the decayed and compressed turf and grass on the former surface of the hill; above this was the brownish earthy, chalky rubble, the artificial components of the mound differing from that nearer to the centre, as that was piled up from a moist, this from a higher and drier situation. The workmen were continually progressing day and night, as each of the three gangs worked eight hours, three men only at a time having room to excavate, fill and wheel the barrows. From the points of junction of the tunnel in the natural chalk with the line of the surface of the original hill, they followed that line as their guide, keeping it about c2 feet below the ceiling of the tunnel; inasmuch as there could be little doubt that whatever deposit might be found would be either on the surface of the original ground near the centre, or in a cist formed immediately below that line.


On my first visit they had advanced about 40 yards; when at 3O yards, they found in the artificial rubble, immediately above the ground-line, a portion of the tine of a stag's antler of the red deer species. Very little difference in the appearance of the walls of the tunnel had as yet been discernible, when the time came (on Monday evening the 23d) for me to proceed to Salisbury. Having taken a last inspection on my way, I suggested that it would be desirable that the workmen should stop when they reached within two yards of the centre, under the apprehension that in case they should break into a cist, or discover any deposit, there might be no person present to describe and record the particulars. Whilst at Salisbury the specimens of new features in the component parts of the tumulus were sent for inspection. The thin compressed line of clay, formerly grass, could be traced continuously throughout the tunnel, and the vegetable mould below it varying in its depth occasionally, and sometimes considerably; but at about 3O or 40 feet from the centre a very marked difference appeared. Instead of the rubbly chalk forming the artificial substance of the hill, the thin grass-line was covered with a black peaty substance, composed of sods of turf piled together, containing great quantities of moss still in a state of comparative freshness, and which had evidently been taken from the excavated area on the east, west, and north sides of the tumulus, on the borders of which a small rivulet runs—a tributary to the Kennett, — which I have myself seen overflowing almost the whole of the excavated area at the back of the hill, and which probably was wont to do so before that work was effected; not, of course, to so great extent, but sufficiently to produce the moss now perceptible in the sods derived from that locality, still retaining its colour and texture, and to deposit amongst them the freshwater shells which were interspersed on its surface, and are still preserved in most remarkable freshness and transparency. Above and about this layer was a dense accumulation of black earth, emitting a peculiar smell, in which were embedded fragments of small branches of bushes, which in many instances, retaining their shape, had been transformed into a substance of beautiful cobalt-coloured blue, which was also in great quantity dispersed in small knobs throughout the layer of this black substance. At about this spot caudal vertebrae of the ox, or perhaps red deer, and a very large tooth of the same animal, were carried out in the wheelbarrows, so that the exact spots in which they had rested were not known. The following general analysis of these substances was obtained by the kindness of a young gentleman at Mr. Squarey's of Salisbury, and may serve to shew their chemical character :—1st. The substance nearest the line of original surface of the hill: iron, sulphuric acid, lime, carbonates, earthy and organic matters, alumina. 2d. That somewhat higher up in position and of compact black texture: iron, carbonic acid, lime, sulphates, alumina, phosphates. Over these the artificial rubble of the hill had assumed a darker colour, and contained on analysis much the same components as No. 2; as well as those portions below, from the percolation of water saturated with the qualities of the substance above. I must not omit to state that in many places within this range from the centre, on the surface of the original hill, were found fragments of a sort of string, of two strands, each twisted, composed of (as it seemed) grass, and about the size of whipcord. Insects, especially beetles, and fragments of charcoal, were constantly observable.

I am curious that a "layer of bluish clay about 2 inches thick" was discovered . If John Merewether was mistaken about its provenance, and it was instead brought to the site as bluish clay, this would be another, and apparently symbolic, use of the color . Such an interpretation may be boosted by observation that their team found, "moss … still retaining its colour and texture", and with it, "freshwater shells … still preserved in most remarkable freshness and transparency" ; and, "Above and about this layer was a dense accumulation of black earth, emitting a peculiar smell, in which were embedded fragments of small branches of bushes, which in many instances, retaining their shape, had been transformed into a substance of beautiful cobalt-coloured blue, which was also in great quantity dispersed in small knobs throughout the layer of this black substance." . It may be as he suggests, that the processes and timescale of their interment changed the color of some vegetable items to blue, while leaving the moss green and the shells "remarkably fresh" –– but i suggest it is also possible that the people knew of processes which could turn items blue and applied them before these were deposited . The conditions within the hill may then have preserved the color, which under ordinary circumstances could be fugitive .


The detectable presence of iron, (by the 19th century chemical analysis), in layers near the center of the hill brings (to my mind) the possibility that ochre may have been applied . If so, this may have been blended with other substances such as butter, oil, manure, crushed tree bark, earth and/or herbs to form a paste . That Alumina was also detected raises the possibility that Umber was used . If red and blue were both intentionally used within the core of the hill it would heighten the similarity with the baby's burial, and the respective importance of these colors together . If red ochre (Fe₂O₃) was applied, i speculate that it may have (re)combined with water over time to become yellow ochre (Fe₂O₃ • H₂O), which through some slow reaction(s), (unknown to me), may have split and reconfigured as two molecules of brown ochre (FeO(OH)) .


Another place, (closer to Silbury in both time and space), where red and blue were used together is the recently discovered Tomba della scacchiera, in Bonorva, Sardinia –– photos .


Lastly, the red and blue twisted cord which binds the Xinjiang baby's swaddling clothes might be compared with this observation by Dean Merewether –– "I must not omit to state that in many places within this range from the centre, on the surface of the original hill, were found fragments of a sort of string, of two strands, each twisted, composed of (as it seemed) grass, and about the size of whipcord." . Though he makes no mention of coloring here, the idea of two strands winding one string –– with its implicit and revolving symbiosis, which may include opposites –– could have held religious, philosophical and/or spiritual meaning at the time . It may still today .