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[shiny]

I seem to have a bee in my bonnet about the ground or floor coverings at megalithic sites. (Not that I wear bonnets much these days).

Inside Maes Howe the passageway is floored with beautiful stone slabs, which I think I'm right in saying are original. When you get inside the chamber, the floor is covered with a thick layer of gravel, which I assume is modern. What is under the gravel? Is the gravel there to protect the original floor? Or to raise the floor level to that of the passageway? In which case has a layer of flooring been removed or has a wooden floor rotted away?

I can't believe that the builders of these wonderful monuments let there visitors wallow about in mud.

Shiny

P.S. http://www.maeshowe.co.uk/

[kevin.b]

Shiny,
        Ground coverings.
I feel you are correct to dwell upon this very relevant point, but.
Unless you can establish the correct design function of the place, you will not know which direction to concentrate upon.
In your post you call it " monument"
I will not go into detail as to what I consider the construction was built for, it tends to be called alternative.
This baffles me , as I cannot establish anywhere a clear understanding of what these places were built for.
The most common theme is Burial, and because burial remains are found at them, that is understandable.

The layer between the Earth, whatever is beneath the immeadiate floor area, and the infinite area above that layer, will be central to the sites construction.
Either for the infinite above to contact the mass below, or to prevent the infinite above contacting the mass below.
You can alter this whole situation by means of Earthing rods or similer means.

Water is the ultimate means of the infinite above making contact with the mass below, but not surface water.

I ask that you try to establish its design requirements first, then the floor design and materials will be more evident.
If the design was to bury people, you would not want stone floors, unless you kept lifting them?
If not for burial, then you may want to keep it dry?
To keep it dry you would need to insulate from above, and from below.
Kevin

[stonecarver]

The roof of this prehsitoric structure was designed to keep out the water (I read somewhere)....

Whetevere they were for - they are beautiful structures...

[kevin.b]

Stonecarver,
                 I consider that the barrows will have had layered coverings, very similer to thatching , but with stone and pebbles etc, with chalk in between.
In this way insulation will have been achieved, the angle of the slope will have been critical to achieve this.
The Earth has a natural 7.8 hz frequency.
If you are precisely aligned with these signals ( they may have altered?) and you had a perfectly designed chamber placed on a precise spot, well who knows what, i have definate ideas but they are classed alternative, my only question to that is, Alternative to what?
These places are stunning now, imagine what they may have been like 5000 yrs ago?
The constructions may have been adapted for a variety of reasons over milleniums, but its the origonal design spec that matters.
I do not invent what I detect, and I did not position these things precisely in very special positions , but somebody did, and went to stunning lengths to achieve this.
Kevin
Kevin

[shiny]

Kevin...........How do...........I get ,and understand your point about us not having the full picture of what these ancient structures were built for.
It would be like a future archaeologist excavating the centre circle at say Old Trafford, and finding cremated human remains scattered about, and concluding the place was built as a temple. Some, (not me, my allegiance lies over the road at the cricket ground), would say it is a temple.

I like the idea of thatched barrows, they'd look a lot like old Scottish blackhouses.

[kevin.b]

Shiny,
         ( boycott is king)
We simply cant comprehend what may have happened at the megaliths , without first establishing their design standards.
Otherwise its all speculation.
I have spent this afternoon wandering around the rollrights, I have the report by George Lambrick of Oxford univ.
Which was written after they surveyed and excavated the area , in the eighties, I love to read through the book and marvel at their finds, I read through what has now become a library of books almost toppling my house over, but nowhere does anyone seem to have a clue.
There has obviously been huge expenditure of time and effort lavished upon the quest to understand them, to measure and check out alignments that leave you dizzy, but still nothing.
I believe they are based upon a natural occurance that the human race has by-passed and subsequently forgotten.
This would easily explain why they are so mysterious.
The problem is how to preserve them against vast population expansion, that doesn't see a value attached to them except a certain few as disney type attractions.
Your post is ideal in that it starts at the ground level, What and why did they have at ground level?
If they were for burial, surely the length of time they were used would reveal nothing but bones and ashes.
This cannot have been the design standerd, a temporary resting place seems more plausible.

I try to imagine the people who built them leaving a cave existance behind, they would have learn't how to best preserve any foods across seasons, and the copying of a cave may give similer results?
Do we know the relevant tempretures abounding at the time span of construction?
If it was hot, an early form of fridge may  be a use for them?
Kevin

[shiny]

Now theres a coincidence, earlier tonight a Doctor Richards of Manchester University was on a TV program about mankinds relationship with the sun.
The program briefly visited Maes Howe on Orkney and Doctor Richards explained that when Maes Howe was opened in 1861 it then had a clay floor.
He then went on to say that there were pieces of skulls scattered about. My text book says only a fragment of a human skull was found, and some horse bones and teeth.

[stonecarver]

A single fragment of human skull was found amognst 'debris' in one of the cells in the nineteenth century excavations, according to the books I have which mention the contents...

The clay floor is indeed unusual.

[kevin.b]

With reference to a clay floor'
I dont have the links to hand , but you can google for BENONTINE.
This is a clay substance from America, it is used as a substance to ingest,
This it is claimed is because it consists of flat sort of panels, similer to a populer view of a flying saucer.
They are said to be negatively charged, with positive points around the edge.
It explains how the harmfull substances we have eaten are mainly positively charged, and thus are attracted to the flat plates, and are then ultimately removed from the inside of our bodies.

The thing is, I consider the megaliths to be everything to do with positive and negative.
Hence I try to learn all I can about every material I find reported at megalithic sites.
I am always trying to comprehend about transfer and insulation.
Hydrogen is in my opinion the most powerfull transfer system available.
The problem is that what I consider is been transfered and insulated against is invisable.
Burial is involved, but not of the body, the skull and possibly thigh bones will have been used as symbolic of the person, as such.
If you can at all comprehend that there may be, or was believed to be, a spirit inside ourselves, then that is what was been buried,
or helped into another percieved realm of existance.
If we can crack the method employed in this real or imagined procedure, then the rest will be simple.
If not they will mostly be bulldozed and a supermarket plonked upon them.
Kevin

[kevin.b]

http://www.experienc...ne clay/id/2064
This is about benontine, in the UK we know such clay as fullers earth.
Kevin

[shiny]

Kevin........Sooner you than me.

[kevin.b]

Shiny ,
perhaps this lot in China ate too much?
Interesting that they were all found stood upon mats?
I have a theory , that if matting is soaked in benontine, and allowed to harden, gravity may alter.
Also these were found by a well digger ( dowser )
http://archaeology.a.../terracotta.htm

The big clue is what they are made of, the hollow space in them, may have contained the soldiers spirit ( or they assumed it did? )
Kevin

[shiny]

Kevin............I've worked in places where Fullers earth has been used by the hundredweight to mop or soak up spillages. I'll bet you've even used it yourself.

I've seen it spread under machinery to catch drips, and then forgotten about for years, so it sets hard. but I've never seen any signs of machines floating off down the shop. It's also regularly spread about over factory floors to help keep them clean, (or it was when Britain had factories), including over machine operators foot mats, but I've never seen any of them floating about either.

Strange how the mats, or traces of them, survive at Lishan, but the wooden chariots have all but rotted away.

[kevin.b]

Shiny,
       There will be certain procedures that need to be followed to align the flat faces of the benontine particles, all to do with positive and negative.
If you consider the planet as negatively charged, and an incoming constant flow of positive charge that is attracted to the negative, then consider placing a series of layered materials across the point where the two forces meet, sort of deflect the incoming away from the permanent negative face of the planet magnet, what you would achieve is a seperate field around whatever this object was, and anything within that field would not be in the field of the planet.
If you consider when the apple that hit Newton fell from the tree, it was then in the incoming flow of positive charge heading for the planet surface, if it had landed upon another planet surface, in between our planet and from where it fell from, then it would have landed upon the other planet, the planet we are upon weighs nothing in space.
The seperate planet that the apple could have landed upon, would need to be at a different frequency to this planet, otherwise it would be attracted also, but if it had a seperate frequency, then it would possibly be attracted to another magnet, say the moon, and if this was correctly balanced, a sort of levitation could be achieved, because two magnets would be imposing equal and opposing pull.
This is hard to comprehend, but think 400 ton stones been moved and positioned?, if they didnt weigh anything in the field of this planet, then no problem.
kevin

[shiny]

Kevin........Sorry I can't believe a word of what your saying.

I'm happy to know that my ancestors, and yours, got together and through sheer brute strength, skill, determination and bloodymindedness, got these stones where they had to be.