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trippin' the light fantastic ...


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Whatever one chooses to call it, it seems there was a method, to the madness

[Exjai]

Diego, that was a very well thought out post you put up regarding being argumentative.  My hope is that it is heeded.  This doesn't seem to be the place for a debate.  It is rather a discussion of possibilities and should never be a place where motives or qualifications of a poster are impugned.

No one alive today has been to Stonehenge as it was when constructed.  Archeology seeks to explain, and is today becoming more and more exact in it's explanations.  However, there is still room for interpretation and pleasant discussion.

Neither person involved highly here should impugn motive or qualification.    Keep it friendly.  

Just from the examples given from both participants, I've learned something, something I can make use of elsewhere.  I'm grateful for that.  

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Temple Plan

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Stonehenge's plan as compared with lines drawn from 'center', (my approximation), their angles measured from a 'centerline' set to the middle of the gap which faces the Heel Stone.

A variety of fractions and combinations of same were tried, hoping to produce some obvious match, but either I was off their mark, or the temple's plan is a bit looser than that . Rough correspondence was found between the leading edges of four uprights in the trilithon horseshoe and rotations of plus or minus one seventh, (of a full rotation as seen from the Heel Stone) . The 'half-width' stone 11 is brushed by one of these as it tracks toward the left edge of the south entrance . A rough correspondence was also found between fractions of plus or minus one eighth and three minor gaps in the henge's banks or counterscarp .

A line, centered on the missing station stones 92 & 94, passes through the much discussed stone 53 at about the position of the, also much discussed, 'bull's head' . Possibly with significance

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> Obsolete post, please see no. 41, 'Numeracy', below

Stonehenge's Central Court

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Applying the same logics to a closer more detailed draft brings up a classic 'good news bad news' occasion . One seventh of a rotation from center clips stone 60 smartly, making it look as though the dancers are well rehearsed ... but from there, things slip . 57 is noticeably off and the odd-shaped 54 leaves one wondering how much to ask . By the time we get to a clear miss on 51, (in an intermediate position between -1/8 & -1/7), it is clear that this explanation cannot work alone

Stretching perpendiculars from the centerline, one regains a sense of order . The problem in lining up the forward positions seems to hang not on the 'off' 51, but largely on mismatching widths between, (the fallen), 59 and stone 52, which like a wisdom tooth pushed its neighbor over . Wrapping up, one can seek obscure alignments using parallels to the principal angles - such as the two near the, (largely fallen), rear and great trilithon

[shiny]

Anew...........Here's another..........




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shiny, on 13 April 2007, 10:33, said:

Anew...........Here's another..........




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Coolness

I like the way they've got water in the ditch . A little bit of 3D - always a plus . Bringing in the celestial ...


I found the altar stone, have something in a little while...

[shiny]

Anew....................I notice that where the line of "Sunset Winter" crosses the water filled ditch, there are two "causeways", I don't know what else to call them. It wouldn't surprise me if there was originally a structure spanning the two.

Just a thought.

Shiny.

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shiny, on 13 April 2007, 11:09, said:

Anew....................I notice that where the line of "Sunset Winter" crosses the water filled ditch, there are two "causeways", I don't know what else to call them. It wouldn't surprise me if there was originally a structure spanning the two.

Just a thought.

Shiny.

'Causeways' works for me ... Could be . Gives one to consider what metaphor they might've had in mind . A wooden bridge for winter ... I kind'of imagine the winter solstice as deliberately different from summer . Intimate like, quiet . Isn't that the one where the light would shine through the back of the grand trilithon ?

[shiny]

Winter,.......... Intimate like, quiet. I like that.

I'd like to think Elemental ceremonies,fire or torch-lit processions, then home to Durrington for a big feast.

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shiny, on 13 April 2007, 12:44, said:

Winter,.......... Intimate like, quiet. I like that.

I'd like to think Elemental ceremonies,fire or torch-lit processions, then home to Durrington for a big feast.

Sounds like a good picture . I can't see it without that . Different treatment of the element - not as riotous as the summer blaze, I imagine

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Numeracy


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By moving the point of reference to the Altar Stone, (logical when one thinks about it); it begins to make sense . Theirs was a numerate society - or at least a numerate clergy - who enjoyed a particular fixation with the number 7, applying it all about the inner sanctum . This could be understood as they were so close to one-seventh of a globe North, (not difficult to determine on a clear night; the Avebury temple sits right on the line) . So here we go:

They measured a circle for their temple, and approximately three fifths of the way back from where the 'entrance' was to be, they 'set' the altar . Then they started measuring angles: One third of a full rotation, Two thirds of a full rotation - (you can get the same effect with a positive and negative third, perhaps they thought of it that way) . These lines are respected by the backs of the three of the four forward trilithons in the 'horseshoe', (the fourth really does seem to try) . Then they walked back along the centerline to a point exactly three sevenths of the way in, and drew a pair of lines parallel to the first . These are respected by the fronts of two of the great trilithons, and, if you will 'nodded to' by the others . Setting up the Great Trilithon that backstops the horseshoe, they measured three sevenths and four sevenths of a rotation, (from centerline) . The outer edge of the standing stone respects its line, that of the fallen should at least have come close ... So those were the rotations

But they needed a second set of lines to fix points on the plane, (where the sets of lines intersect) . These were perpendiculars to the centerline : measured at seven ninths, for the back of the great trilithon; five sevenths for the backs of the next pair; four sevenths for the fronts of these; seven fifteenths for the backs of the forward pair, with a possible two fifths at its midpoint, (this front pair is asymmetrical) ... And there's that part of it

Later on, when they were bringing the bluestones in, they may have - with apparent difficulty - tried to observe construction rings of five and three sevenths the sarsen ring's diameter

Last, this is something I love: 1 & 2 thirds; 2 & 3 fifths; 3 & 4 sevenths ... they would try to arrange things so that the numerators added to the denominator . Neat

[kevin.b]

Anew,
        Every line is one of nine parallel lines.
From the centre line 22  feet either side out , then two more 34 feet out , then two more 22 feet out, then the final two outer lines a further 22 feet out.
This gives NINE parallel lines in three groups of threes.

I have not bothered with stone henge, but all similer have two points contained within the near centre area.
55 sets of nine lines through one spot, 34 sets of nines throught the other.

The measurements given above are not exactly precise, but near, every line is aprox 200 feet wide, and has nine neutral lines all one inch wide, that which flows along each line is much different, and is easily manipulated to alter its route, it can be accumulated within the correct materials , these act as capacitors arranged in series.

That which flows along the lines does so in a dual nature, and varies constantly at the dictates of the heavenly bodies which are to be found along the alignments of the lines, the heavenly bodies are magnets , as is the Earth, and the interaction and transfer between these determines how the flows operate and the relative densities upon each flow.

The earths precession is contained within these lines, as are all the heavenly bodies, as the sun travels around its 26000 year trundle around the zodiac, the stones would need periodic re-arrangement to conform with the changing arrangement of heavenly bodies which will alter the relative flows along the lines, some will raise in density , some will lower, as we are moving into Aquarious, there appears to be a continual raising in the density of flows, hence a warming as resistance raises, all the near planets and their moons and the sun will raise the same.
All in my little opinion.
Kevin

[Jimit]

Anew, on 13 April 2007, 23:39, said:

shiny, on 13 April 2007, 12:44, said:

Winter,.......... Intimate like, quiet. I like that.

I'd like to think Elemental ceremonies,fire or torch-lit processions, then home to Durrington for a big feast.

Sounds like a good picture . I can't see it without that . Different treatment of the element - not as riotous as the summer blaze, I imagine

You might like this pic I took near to the Winter Solstice..   http://www.themodern....com/post/42545  It is now thought that this was the prime sighting intended by the builders. Can we imagine it? A procession up the Avenue, a pause at the Heel Stone(s) portal (it had a companion), and a final entry into the stones with the object of your veneration setting ahead.

A few points about the ditch; Professor Atkinson, when he excavated in the 1950s, discovered that it was not well defined "a string of sausages" and he thought that the bank was the more important feature. It is highly unlikely that it ever held water as it is on a slight slope, chalk is very porous and no clay sealing has ever been found.

A few points about the alignments; Phase 1 of the monument (2800 BCE) was angled 41 degrees E of N, Moon rise at major standstill, and not until Phase 2 (2100 BCE) was it altered to its present 50 degrees E of N, Sun rise/set Summer/Winter Solstice.

A few points about the positions of the stones; Several had fallen in antiquity and historical times and were re-erected/positioned in the 20C, we cannot be sure they are in their precise original position although pretty close.

Jim.

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This axehead looks as if it lost its extremities. Maybe one end was broken off and the other was removed to re-balance its looks. It would also make it safer to use, and probably increase the penetration.


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... nine ... NINE ... nine ... nines ... nine ...
All in my little opinion.

>> edited quote, no offense intended ~ Anew

You picked up on something ? I was wondering if someone would ...someone would

This number is significant: as it's the last before 10, (of the next order), using the decimal system -- or 0, if one counts in a loop . I see Stonehenge the same way: built just as metal was arriving, it stands among the great works of the Stone Ages, (all in my little opinion) . Then a new order came for those people - Age(s) of Metal - and Stonehenge the temple was left to return to zero ... Interesting

Jimit, on 14 April 2007, 3:57, said:

You might like this pic I took near to the Winter Solstice..   http://www.themodern....com/post/42545  It is now thought that this was the prime sighting intended by the builders. Can we imagine it? A procession up the Avenue, a pause at the Heel Stone(s) portal (it had a companion), and a final entry into the stones with the object of your veneration setting ahead.

A few points about the ditch; Professor Atkinson, when he excavated in the 1950s, discovered that it was not well defined "a string of sausages" and he thought that the bank was the more important feature. It is highly unlikely that it ever held water as it is on a slight slope, chalk is very porous and no clay sealing has ever been found.

A few points about the alignments; Phase 1 of the monument (2800 BCE) was angled 41 degrees E of N, Moon rise at major standstill, and not until Phase 2 (2100 BCE) was it altered to its present 50 degrees E of N, Sun rise/set Summer/Winter Solstice.

A few points about the positions of the stones; Several had fallen in antiquity and historical times and were re-erected/positioned in the 20C, we cannot be sure they are in their precise original position although pretty close.

Jim.

The sun passing into the realm of the dead ... to be born the next morning as a new year has begun ... I could see that

Re the ditch and bank : What finds come from the bank ? The southern termini of several of these 'sausages' held curated bones, (Hengeworld p. 106); so I think of it as an objective . No water ? Okay

Re orientation : That seems to have been a major cultural, or 'denominational', shift

Which stones among the trilithon horse-shoe were re-erected ? I'm aware 56 was straightened ... I've also learned that 53 was excavated around, as well as the South 'Barrow' . Would you know what, if anything, was found ?

shiny, on 14 April 2007, 6:35, said:

This axehead looks as if it lost its extremities. Maybe one end was broken off and the other was removed to re-balance its looks. It would also make it safer to use, and probably increase the penetration.


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All points to consider . I see this fellow as a governor/priest, with connections to the continent -- both daggers are said to have come from Brittany -- and perhaps to the Mycenaeans . I don't understand the irregularity of his axe-blade, (bronze) . Was it damaged in battle / through use ? Or were someone's smithy-skills still rudimentary, making it irregular from the start ? Good thinking