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[RobStanton]

OK,

There are alot of lines. If we take a much smaller number of monuments - the stone circles and henges in the peak district (22) these are also aligned with high accuracy. Diagram at oldstonelines.co.uk .Coincidence? I don't think so.

[tiompan]

RobStanton, on 15 February 2009, 21:54, said:

OK,

There are alot of lines. If we take a much smaller number of monuments - the stone circles and henges in the peak district (22) these are also aligned with high accuracy. Diagram at oldstonelines.co.uk .Coincidence? I don't think so.

Rob , I couldn't see the peak district map . What is the maximium number of aligned sites from the 22 ?


George

[RobStanton]

George,

Its 22. The map is on the link in the UPDATE section.

Rob

[tiompan]

RobStanton, on 16 February 2009, 0:57, said:

George,

Its 22. The map is on the link in the UPDATE section.

Rob

   Thanks Rob , found it , the maximum number aligned looks like 3 with one possible 4 , the scale looks quite small and it would be good to put names to circles .

George

[tiompan]

tiompan, on 16 February 2009, 0:13, said:

RobStanton, on 16 February 2009, 0:57, said:

George,

Its 22. The map is on the link in the UPDATE section.

Rob

   Thanks Rob , found it , the maximum number aligned looks like 3 with one possible 4 , the scale looks quite small and it would be good to put names to circles .

George

Rob , Finally worked out what was what in the diagram , a mention of the Bull Ring or Arbor Low would have made all the difference , the "Memory Map " cursor info wasn't much help . You have 22 sites mentioned ,Burl list 11 stone circles including Arbor Low add the Bull Ring 3 "new" circles and Hobs Hursts House where do the other 7 sites fit in ? The one line that looked like it may be of interest , (it had a possible 4 sites ) was Arbor Low to Hordron Edge but when investigated there are no stone circles on this bearing , maybe they are 2 of the 3 "new" ones . Could you explain please .

George

[RobStanton]

George,

My copy of Burl's book lists 22 circles on p. 343. I think he wrote a much smaller book with a similar title as well which may be causing the confusion. Some of those he lists are only rumoured from long ago and do not have a proper map reference. The 3 new ones are listed in "The henges, stone circles and ring cairns of the peak district" by J Barnatt. I will post the map references tonight.  
I misunderstood your first question. I thought you meant how many of the 22 were in some sort of alignment. You are right. They are nearly all in lines of 3.

Rob

[RobStanton]

The map references are below

Hob Hurst's     SK287692   most easterly

A. Burl

Arbor Low SK 160636
Barbrook 1   SK 278755
BarBrook 2 SK 277758
Barbrook 3 SK 283772
Broomhead 1 SK 238966  most northerly
Bull Ring SK 078783  most westerly
Doll Tor SK 238628
Froggat Edge SK 249768
Lawrence Field SK 252797
Moscar Moor SK 221845
Nine Ladies SK 247634
Ninestone Close SK 225625
Offerton Moor SK 212806
Park Gate SK 281685
Hordron SK 215868
Smelting Hill SK 202803
Top of Riley SK 226768
Wet Withens SK 225790


J Barnatt new ones

Eyam Moor 2 SK 232790
Ash Cabin Flat SK 269863
Gibbet Moor SK 282708

[tiompan]

RobStanton, on 16 February 2009, 20:49, said:

The map references are below

Hob Hurst's     SK287692   most easterly

A. Burl

Arbor Low SK 160636
Barbrook 1   SK 278755
BarBrook 2 SK 277758
Barbrook 3 SK 283772
Broomhead 1 SK 238966  most northerly
Bull Ring SK 078783  most westerly
Doll Tor SK 238628
Froggat Edge SK 249768
Lawrence Field SK 252797
Moscar Moor SK 221845
Nine Ladies SK 247634
Ninestone Close SK 225625
Offerton Moor SK 212806
Park Gate SK 281685
Hordron SK 215868
Smelting Hill SK 202803
Top of Riley SK 226768
Wet Withens SK 225790


J Barnatt new ones

Eyam Moor 2 SK 232790
Ash Cabin Flat SK 269863
Gibbet Moor SK 282708

Thanks Rob , there is a problem with using 6 figure grid refs in that the accuracy can be out by as much as 140 metres  . Hers some examples of the 10 figures for a few of the above .
Arbor Low SK 16014 63582
Bull Ring SK 07849 78240
Wet Withens SK 22545 78997
I'll try to find more accurate refs for those I don't already have  ,via Magic and the OS but they may not be recorded .


George

[RobStanton]

George,

I can probably get them all to 4 figures from Barnatts book. I thought that an accuracy of 100 metres or so over 10 miles would be pretty good for stone age science but I will update as many as I can to 4 figures.

Rob

[tiompan]

RobStanton, on 16 February 2009, 22:03, said:

George,

I can probably get them all to 4 figures from Barnatts book. I thought that an accuracy of 100 metres or so over 10 miles would be pretty good for stone age science but I will update as many as I can to 4 figures.

Rob

Rob ,
              if you go for the lesser accuracy then it gets incredibly difficult to prove the case . The potential to arrive at similar  results , or better , from random sites would be huge . Another problem is function , why would they do that ?


George

[RobStanton]

OK here are the map references from Barnatt - I notice he says Top of Riley is no longer there and does not give a real grid reference. As to function I don't know. But I don't know why they built henges or stone circles either.  I think there are several possible reasons but it is important to establish if it is actually true first.

Arbor Low SK 16036355
Barbrook 1 SK 27857558
BarBrook 2 SK 27757581
Barbrook 3 SK 28337729
Broomhead 1 SK 23819644 most northerly
Bull Ring SK 07847823 most westerly
Doll Tor SK 23856287
Froggat Edge SK 24957678
Lawrence Field SK 25247972
Moscar Moor SK 22118454
Nine Ladies SK 24916349
Ninestone Close SK 22546264
Offerton Moor SK 21288054
Park Gate SK 28056851
Hordron SK 21518684
Smelting Hill SK 20278039
Top of Riley SK 226768
Wet Withens SK 22557899


J Barnatt new ones

Eyam Moor 2 SK 23157895
Ash Cabin Flat SK 26938625
Gibbet Moor SK 28217085

[tiompan]

RobStanton, on 16 February 2009, 22:26, said:

OK here are the map references from Barnatt - I notice he says Top of Riley is no longer there and does not give a real grid reference. As to function I don't know. But I don't know why they built henges or stone circles either.  I think there are several possible reasons but it is important to establish if it is actually true first.

Arbor Low SK 16036355
Barbrook 1 SK 27857558
BarBrook 2 SK 27757581
Barbrook 3 SK 28337729
Broomhead 1 SK 23819644 most northerly
Bull Ring SK 07847823 most westerly
Doll Tor SK 23856287
Froggat Edge SK 24957678
Lawrence Field SK 25247972
Moscar Moor SK 22118454
Nine Ladies SK 24916349
Ninestone Close SK 22546264
Offerton Moor SK 21288054
Park Gate SK 28056851
Hordron SK 21518684
Smelting Hill SK 20278039
Top of Riley SK 226768
Wet Withens SK 22557899


J Barnatt new ones

Eyam Moor 2 SK 23157895
Ash Cabin Flat SK 26938625
Gibbet Moor SK 28217085

That tightens up the accuracy ,a bit . Would you like me to check the accuracy of any of the alignments  ?

George

[RobStanton]

Sure. I would like a second opinion.

Rob

[tiompan]

RobStanton, on 16 February 2009, 22:55, said:

Sure. I would like a second opinion.

Rob

Any in particular ?

George

[RobStanton]

Well I think for their time they are very accurate. In fact I don't know how they could have done it over terrain where they could not see some of the circles from the others in the line. If you want to give your opinion on the accuracy in general go ahead.