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[TAJEY]

Hey guys.
I'm new to the forum.
Stone monuments have started to interest me a lot lately and this is the first forum i've found on the subject...

I'm interested also in the theory that they're markings of original crop circle formation locations... Maybe that sounds silly to some but maybe feasible to others.  
Anyway, I'm just wondering if anybody can share there opinion on stone monuments and the link between crop circles - if there is one?


It's pretty crazy as i'm from Wales and I have monuments just 10mins away and didn't even know they existed until today - just goes to show how easy some things go unnoticed.


Hope you guys have some thoughts on this.
Lloyd

[Pete G]

Welcome to Stonepages lloyd.
Terence Meaden wrote a book about the possiblity of stone circles being buit on the site of single crop circles.
Perhaps Terence would like comment more on this for you.
What monuments do you live near?
Regards,
Pete

[TAJEY]

Pete G, on 24 November 2008, 1:59, said:

Welcome to Stonepages lloyd.
Terence Meaden wrote a book about the possiblity of stone circles being buit on the site of single crop circles.
Perhaps Terence would like comment more on this for you.
What monuments do you live near?
Regards,
Pete

Yep, I hope Terence does see this and is able to reply personally.
I'm looking into buying his books but it's just really interesting to me to see what people have to say about it on here also =]

I live 5 minutes away from The Chambered Cairn and near The Round Cairn and The Ring Cairn...
I am going to visit all places in the week.

I'm working on a Crop Circle dissertation currently so I'm hoping people can reply and support me with some information on monuments that could conjoin with crop circles in some way or maybe peoples personal experiences in stone monuments - if there even are spiritual occurrences to date - I'm not sure.

This forum seems really friendly and I'm hoping i'll fit in here =]
Thanks for the friendly reply.

Lloyd

[tiompan]

TAJEY, on 23 November 2008, 23:57, said:

Hey guys.
I'm new to the forum.
Stone monuments have started to interest me a lot lately and this is the first forum i've found on the subject...

I'm interested also in the theory that they're markings of original crop circle formation locations... Maybe that sounds silly to some but maybe feasible to others.  
Anyway, I'm just wondering if anybody can share there opinion on stone monuments and the link between crop circles - if there is one?


It's pretty crazy as i'm from Wales and I have monuments just 10mins away and didn't even know they existed until today - just goes to show how easy some things go unnoticed.


Hope you guys have some thoughts on this.
Lloyd

Hello Lloyd ,
I’m assuming that we are talking about the natural phenomena of the mini whirlwind often encountered in summer on still days and not the contemporary “art works “ . One  problem with the hypothesis is that it is unprovable /unfalsifiable  . Palynology may show that cereals were being grown on the same spot as a small amount of  circular or non circular  monuments  but we cannot  infer from that , the reason for the architecture or choice of site was due to a mini whirlwind . Prior to the farmers the Mesolithic peoples would have encountered the same phenomena ,on grasses etc but were not inspired to build monuments . As monumentality is considered to have coincided with the advent of farming (although there are some dissenting voices ) it would be difficult to point to monuments that were not associated with cereals . Although there is the intriguing possibility that Carrowmore preceded farming .
I have avoided all the crop circle  stuff in the past so if any of the above comments are old hat , apologies .

George

[TAJEY]

tiompan, on 24 November 2008, 11:27, said:

TAJEY, on 23 November 2008, 23:57, said:

Hey guys.
I'm new to the forum.
Stone monuments have started to interest me a lot lately and this is the first forum i've found on the subject...

I'm interested also in the theory that they're markings of original crop circle formation locations... Maybe that sounds silly to some but maybe feasible to others.  
Anyway, I'm just wondering if anybody can share there opinion on stone monuments and the link between crop circles - if there is one?


It's pretty crazy as i'm from Wales and I have monuments just 10mins away and didn't even know they existed until today - just goes to show how easy some things go unnoticed.


Hope you guys have some thoughts on this.
Lloyd

Hello Lloyd ,
I’m assuming that we are talking about the natural phenomena of the mini whirlwind often encountered in summer on still days and not the contemporary “art works “ . One  problem with the hypothesis is that it is unprovable /unfalsifiable  . Palynology may show that cereals were being grown on the same spot as a small amount of  circular or non circular  monuments  but we cannot  infer from that , the reason for the architecture or choice of site was due to a mini whirlwind . Prior to the farmers the Mesolithic peoples would have encountered the same phenomena ,on grasses etc but were not inspired to build monuments . As monumentality is considered to have coincided with the advent of farming (although there are some dissenting voices ) it would be difficult to point to monuments that were not associated with cereals . Although there is the intriguing possibility that Carrowmore preceded farming .
I have avoided all the crop circle  stuff in the past so if any of the above comments are old hat , apologies .

George

Yep, we're talking about the 'genuine' phenomena - The often occurring in warm summer days vortices.  Do stone monuments contain spiritual occurrences to this day? I'm not sure if it's just Crop Circles which contain 'weird happenings' or if it's stone circles also... If so, which circles? and have you or anybody had any personal happenings within them? Not sure if this is a strange question.

[tiompan]

TAJEY, on 24 November 2008, 15:59, said:

tiompan, on 24 November 2008, 11:27, said:

TAJEY, on 23 November 2008, 23:57, said:

Hey guys.
I'm new to the forum.
Stone monuments have started to interest me a lot lately and this is the first forum i've found on the subject...

I'm interested also in the theory that they're markings of original crop circle formation locations... Maybe that sounds silly to some but maybe feasible to others.  
Anyway, I'm just wondering if anybody can share there opinion on stone monuments and the link between crop circles - if there is one?


It's pretty crazy as i'm from Wales and I have monuments just 10mins away and didn't even know they existed until today - just goes to show how easy some things go unnoticed.


Hope you guys have some thoughts on this.
Lloyd

Hello Lloyd ,
I’m assuming that we are talking about the natural phenomena of the mini whirlwind often encountered in summer on still days and not the contemporary “art works “ . One  problem with the hypothesis is that it is unprovable /unfalsifiable  . Palynology may show that cereals were being grown on the same spot as a small amount of  circular or non circular  monuments  but we cannot  infer from that , the reason for the architecture or choice of site was due to a mini whirlwind . Prior to the farmers the Mesolithic peoples would have encountered the same phenomena ,on grasses etc but were not inspired to build monuments . As monumentality is considered to have coincided with the advent of farming (although there are some dissenting voices ) it would be difficult to point to monuments that were not associated with cereals . Although there is the intriguing possibility that Carrowmore preceded farming .
I have avoided all the crop circle  stuff in the past so if any of the above comments are old hat , apologies .

George

Yep, we're talking about the 'genuine' phenomena - The often occurring in warm summer days vortices.  Do stone monuments contain spiritual occurrences to this day? I'm not sure if it's just Crop Circles which contain 'weird happenings' or if it's stone circles also... If so, which circles? and have you or anybody had any personal happenings within them? Not sure if this is a strange question.

Hello Llyoyd , FWIW  I have encountered the mini whirlwinds on many occasions whilst hill walking and must say it is usually at the summit of higher hills but that is possibly because of spending a wee bit more time there than on the slog up . I have never encountered them at a stone circle , but evidence of absence etc ... and I'm sure you are likely to  encounter them at stone circles , a case of lighting striking twice if you accept the original premise . To my way of thinking  spirituality is centred in consciousness not  the enviroment .

George

[TAJEY]

tiompan, on 24 November 2008, 18:11, said:

TAJEY, on 24 November 2008, 15:59, said:

tiompan, on 24 November 2008, 11:27, said:

TAJEY, on 23 November 2008, 23:57, said:

Hey guys.
I'm new to the forum.
Stone monuments have started to interest me a lot lately and this is the first forum i've found on the subject...

I'm interested also in the theory that they're markings of original crop circle formation locations... Maybe that sounds silly to some but maybe feasible to others.  
Anyway, I'm just wondering if anybody can share there opinion on stone monuments and the link between crop circles - if there is one?


It's pretty crazy as i'm from Wales and I have monuments just 10mins away and didn't even know they existed until today - just goes to show how easy some things go unnoticed.


Hope you guys have some thoughts on this.
Lloyd

Hello Lloyd ,
I’m assuming that we are talking about the natural phenomena of the mini whirlwind often encountered in summer on still days and not the contemporary “art works “ . One  problem with the hypothesis is that it is unprovable /unfalsifiable  . Palynology may show that cereals were being grown on the same spot as a small amount of  circular or non circular  monuments  but we cannot  infer from that , the reason for the architecture or choice of site was due to a mini whirlwind . Prior to the farmers the Mesolithic peoples would have encountered the same phenomena ,on grasses etc but were not inspired to build monuments . As monumentality is considered to have coincided with the advent of farming (although there are some dissenting voices ) it would be difficult to point to monuments that were not associated with cereals . Although there is the intriguing possibility that Carrowmore preceded farming .
I have avoided all the crop circle  stuff in the past so if any of the above comments are old hat , apologies .

George

Yep, we're talking about the 'genuine' phenomena - The often occurring in warm summer days vortices.  Do stone monuments contain spiritual occurrences to this day? I'm not sure if it's just Crop Circles which contain 'weird happenings' or if it's stone circles also... If so, which circles? and have you or anybody had any personal happenings within them? Not sure if this is a strange question.

Hello Llyoyd , FWIW  I have encountered the mini whirlwinds on many occasions whilst hill walking and must say it is usually at the summit of higher hills but that is possibly because of spending a wee bit more time there than on the slog up . I have never encountered them at a stone circle , but evidence of absence etc ... and I'm sure you are likely to  encounter them at stone circles , a case of lighting striking twice if you accept the original premise . To my way of thinking  spirituality is centred in consciousness not  the enviroment .

George

Thanks! This is brilliant stuff guys! =]
Sorry but what does FWIW mean? That's pretty cool that you've seen mini whirlwinds, would be pretty cool to get some pictures! Unless you have some?

Hope other people can get involved and get shed light?

[tiompan]

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Thanks! This is brilliant stuff guys! =]
Sorry but what does FWIW mean? That's pretty cool that you've seen mini whirlwinds, would be pretty cool to get some pictures! Unless you have some?

Hope other people can get involved and get shed light?
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  FWIW = For what it's worth . Sorry don't have a pic although I might have  a slide somewhere .They are really quite common . Most hillwalkers would have seen them .
There is quite a collection of mountain type phenomena that still has an effect today never mind in prehistory , Brocken spectres etc . Echoes must have been thought of the gods having a laugh at your expense .

      George

[Pete G]

In my experience studying crop circles is like sticking your head into a bucket of bee's.

I have had people blame me for making them (I never made even a single circle as a test and I never will)
and had threats from people who believed that Aliens were making the one's that I knew people were responsible for.
In one case I had to get a court order to stop one of the Merlins ever contacting me!

I have photographed strange things that I regret ever showing anyone and will never publish the stills or video I have stored away safely.

Be carefull of 'Researchers', they all blame each other and there is much bitterness in the crop circle world.

If I were you I would stick to studying single circles as a phenomenon as the complex patterns are man made and overshadow the singles these days.
PeteG

[kevin.b]

Tajey,
            If You take the advice of Pete g to stick to single circles, think this,
If a crop of wheat is not in the position of where a circle will show if the crop is there,
what is responsible?

Some advice,
                 The megalithic world is mainly inhabited by those who see stones , as stones.
there are others that see stones as stones, but with crystalline properties that can refract the STUFF that creates crop circles.
As with crop circles, you will find that these sort of people are trampled down into a lower plane, often called, the alternative.
If you talk too much up here in the stones part, the stones ones develope a rash, so to save them the irratation  it is simpler to descend into the flatter lower area's.
Kevin

[TAJEY]

Pete G, on 24 November 2008, 22:46, said:

In my experience studying crop circles is like sticking your head into a bucket of bee's.

I have had people blame me for making them (I never made even a single circle as a test and I never will)
and had threats from people who believed that Aliens were making the one's that I knew people were responsible for.
In one case I had to get a court order to stop one of the Merlins ever contacting me!

I have photographed strange things that I regret ever showing anyone and will never publish the stills or video I have stored away safely.

Be carefull of 'Researchers', they all blame each other and there is much bitterness in the crop circle world.

If I were you I would stick to studying single circles as a phenomenon as the complex patterns are man made and overshadow the singles these days.
PeteG

"In one case I had to get a court order to stop one of the Merlins ever contacting me!" - That's madness!

So far in my dissertation has been 10x more controversial than i ever imagined and everyday it just gets deeper.  It's such a contaminated subject and it's horrible... I find them really interesting but there's so many mixed feelings and mixed emotions in the area - It's just madness!

On the one hand I feel I made a bad dissertation choice but on the other hand I feel that it just makes it more interesting as a dissertation and works really well as a 'dissertation'...
But when I feel i've developed my own opinion and have made it an interest rather than a project it's kind of emotional, lol - If that doesn't sound to stupid.

Pete G - Those pictures you're talking about, maybe you could e-mail them so I could see (between me and you) - The ones you said you would never show anybody, lol.  I'm interested.

As for people blaming each other... You're completely right... I've spoken to certain researchers (wont mention names) and they seem madly bitter with each other but I can understand certain peoples frustration.  

Thanks for the reply Pete!

[TAJEY]

kevin.b, on 24 November 2008, 23:03, said:

Tajey,
            If You take the advice of Pete g to stick to single circles, think this,
If a crop of wheat is not in the position of where a circle will show if the crop is there,
what is responsible?

Some advice,
                 The megalithic world is mainly inhabited by those who see stones , as stones.
there are others that see stones as stones, but with crystalline properties that can refract the STUFF that creates crop circles.
As with crop circles, you will find that these sort of people are trampled down into a lower plane, often called, the alternative.
If you talk too much up here in the stones part, the stones ones develope a rash, so to save them the irratation  it is simpler to descend into the flatter lower area's.
Kevin

I wish I did use the single circle theme but i'm deep into it and have a deadline to reach so unfortunately I can't do that =[ Although I wish i knew then what i know now.
Thanks so much for the advice!
Really helps =]

I'm hoping you guys will be interested in reading my final dissertation when it's complete this month - I could make a post maybe?

[TAJEY]

George...

This stuff just gets deeper and deeper, lol.
I didn't know what a Brocken specter was - Just had to google.  Really interesting stuff!

Thanks again =]

[Pete G]

Lloyd,
unfortunatley I trusted other researchers and sent them photos in confidence and they ended up on documentary video's in the US.

See if you can find one complex formation that all the researchers agree is none human made.

One source you may not have looked at yet is 16C poetry.
There seems to have been something going on then as well.

"Witness those rings and roundelays..."
etc

There is also the famous woodcut of the Mowing devil
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Mowing-Devil


Pete

[TAJEY]

Pete G, on 25 November 2008, 0:04, said:

Lloyd,
unfortunatley I trusted other researchers and sent them photos in confidence and they ended up on documentary video's in the US.

See if you can find one complex formation that all the researchers agree is none human made.

One source you may not have looked at yet is 16C poetry.
There seems to have been something going on then as well.

"Witness those rings and roundelays..."
etc

There is also the famous woodcut of the Mowing devil
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Mowing-Devil


Pete

Where do i get the videos from then? lol just kiddin'!
I guess I understand but just sucks for me =P

Yep, i've looked into that Mowing Devil piece but poetry may be good =]
Thanks Pete

Have you ever visited any monuments within Wales?