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Did Cleopatra Trick Julius Caesar?


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#1 Sosigenes

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 17:27

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The Julian Calendar started on 1st January 0045 BC.

The ancient Greek poet Hesiod wrote "The works and Days" and listed days on which it is best to pursue various activities, such as harvesting grapes and defined them according to the rising of a particular star:- "When Orion and Sirius shall have reached mid-heaven, then oh Perses, gather your grapes and bring them home".

Pliny the ancient Roman historian had something interesting to say about Julius Caesar, which is as follows:-" There were three main schools, the Chaldeans, the Egyptians and the Greeks, and to these a fourth was added in our country by Julius Caesar during his dictatorship, who with the assistance of the learned astronomer, Sosigenes, brought the separate years back into conformity with the course of the Sun!"

Obviously Pliny was talking about the events starting the Julian Calendar, but more interestingly, did he mean that Caesar had started a new mystery school?  If he did mean that he had, was it an Isis cult?    Sosigenes was Cleopatra's astronomer and had spent his time studying in the Great Library at Alexandria, sadly burned down in later centuries.
He had a good grasp of astronomy, as the Julian calender was only out of true by 11 minutes in a year, not bad for over 2,000 years ago, considering until quartz watches we were unlikely to own a watch that was accurate to 11 minutes in a year!

Without going into the politics of the meeting of Cleopatra and Julius Caesar, which all the learned members know, lets pick out a few points in a general way!

1) Cleopatra was extremely political and saw having babies with important Romans could see her children on the throne of Rome, she had Caesarion with Julius Caesar, and had three more with Mark Antony.....She threw the dice and lost!

2)It seems that Julius Caesar was interested in the god kings that he had vanquished in his military career, he was especially interested in Cleopatra!   The Senate suspected that he wanted to be a god king, which obviously they would find dangerous, in fact it is one of the main reasons that he was assassinated, and his association with Cleopatra!

3)The Greek ploemaic rulers had seen that the Egyptian calander was nearly exact in around 238 BC, and had tried to add a leap day every four years, however the secretive priests of Thoth and the Egyptian populance didn't want their sacred calendar messed with, so it was put on hold till Julius Caesar arrived in Egypt.

4)The Egyptian New Year was governed by the Sothic Cycle, didn;t have a leap day every four years, thus had a wandering year, so the first of Thoth, being new year only occured with the heliacal rising of the Isis star, Sirius, once in 1460 years, however if a new calendar was introduced, i would expect it to start with an alignment between Sirius and the Sun, involving Egyptian beliefs!

5)Julius Caesar chose 1st January as New Year, probably as since 0153 BC Roman consuls had taken office on that date, however Sosigenes was Cleopatra's astronomer, therefore tuned to her beliefs!   The Roman calendar was hopeless, due to some extent to political tinkering, and it was difficult to know where January 1st fell in it, indeed Sosigenes had to make 0046 BC a massive year as it had 445 days in it!   Therefore he could have tinkered with this slightly to get an alignment in Egypt, to promote Egyptian beliefs.....whether Julius Caesar knew what Sosigenes was doing, i cannot say!

6)Both Cleopatra and Sosigenes were GREEK, the last pharoah was very involved with the Egyptian religion, she often dressed as Isis and was thought of as Isis on Earth by her subjects, she was clever as she spoke nine lanquages!

7)Midnight wasn't used that early as the start of the day as it was difficult to measure by water clock, Romans and Egyptians used sunrise, Babylonians and Greeks used Sunset as the start of the day......Indeed Israel uses sunset even today!

8)As Cleopatra was Greek perhaps she used Sunset to start the Julian calendar, to leave an alignment to the Isis cults, so we wouldn't be looking at sunrise on 1st January 0045 BC, we would be looking for the location in Egypt that Sosigenes picked to view the stars from at Sunset on 31st December 0046 BC.

9)The three main locations in Egypt at that time were Alexandria, Memphis and the ancient capital, Thebes now called Luxor which is 25*N41'  32*E39'.
There is only one place where the Isis Star Sirius has any connection during this date in history, being Thebes/Luxor, the ancient capital of Egypt, near the sacred temples of Karnak and not far from the Valley of the Kings......have a look on your astronomy programme!

Exactly at 17:19pm on 31st December 0046 BC, the sun set at the location of Thebes, as it set, Sirius the Isis star was rising in the East along the horizon!

I have no idea if Julius Caesar knew this, the calendar he brought back to Rome was set to sunrise, so this alignment was secret, joining Egyptian and Greek mythology at the start of the day valued by the Greeks.

Any comments?

Web-link to Greek start of day, please scroll down:-

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_weights_and_measures

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 04:30

Lets see if i can add a picture.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:55

Dear Sosigines,

There is a problem with pictures.


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Posted 11 December 2008 - 16:25

I understand why archaeoastronomy has a bad name, however my research is accurate to the minute, within the Julian and Gregorian Calendars, obviously this is a sticky point, as we get into beliefs, that go forward into the modern era, however if i dont discuss anything political, my research has a great deal of merit!

How did this happen?

http://www.earthsky....lmination-new...

The reason why Sirius doesn't culminate in the centre of the sky at New Year, for all locations, is the result of GMT.

http://www.timezone....me/itsabout0009

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 16:01

Rather than writing my explanation down again, i'm directing you to a B.B.C. Science and Technology forum attached to the open university that i wrote on regarding our calendar, plus the Phi equation.

look for "The Lanquage of the Universe" thread to click on, my thread name on this forum is monk, and is three pages long.

Any comments?

http://www.open2.net...display.php?f=7

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Posted 8 July 2009 - 19:59

It's a very interesting read, thanks. I can't add anything though.




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