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[tiompan]

davidjones, on 17 January 2010 - 22:17, said:

I have recently received some lovely images of a winter solstice image as seen from chun quoit as the sun sets over carn Kenidjack . As allignments go a very positive image i'm sure you will agree winter_solstice_chun_quoit1.jpg cairn_kenidjack1.jpg

   Hello David , just noticed this and apologies for another negative post  .
The problem I see with the pic as evidence for an alignment is there are only two components ,one natural and one man made if there were a third man made component it would have a lot more salience  or if the angle of the capstone was oriented in the direction of Carn Kenidjack .Another problem is that the Carn is not  particularly prominent in the view from the Quoit ,  it might even be lower in altitude . A similar local example might be the Boswens Common standing stone which would provide a view of the setting equinox  sun (cloud permitting ) over the Carn but I wouldn't suggest it as being meaningful for the same reasons as above .

George

[davidjones]

tiompan, on 8 October 2010 - 18:08, said:

davidjones, on 17 January 2010 - 22:17, said:

I have recently received some lovely images of a winter solstice image as seen from chun quoit as the sun sets over carn Kenidjack . As allignments go a very positive image i'm sure you will agree winter_solstice_chun_quoit1.jpg cairn_kenidjack1.jpg

   Hello David , just noticed this and apologies for another negative post  .
The problem I see with the pic as evidence for an alignment is there are only two components ,one natural and one man made if there were a third man made component it would have a lot more salience  or if the angle of the capstone was oriented in the direction of Carn Kenidjack .Another problem is that the Carn is not  particularly prominent in the view from the Quoit ,  it might even be lower in altitude . A similar local example might be the Boswens Common standing stone which would provide a view of the setting equinox  sun (cloud permitting ) over the Carn but I wouldn't suggest it as being meaningful for the same reasons as above .

George

George you really should visit the site . carn Kenidjack is one of the only prominent features on the horizon at all and is as shown in the image of the sunset . If I were building a tomb some couple of thousand years ago why on earth would one feel the need to have a third pointer surely that's the sun ?

[tiompan]

davidjones, on 10 January 2011 - 18:35, said:

tiompan, on 8 October 2010 - 18:08, said:

davidjones, on 17 January 2010 - 22:17, said:

I have recently received some lovely images of a winter solstice image as seen from chun quoit as the sun sets over carn Kenidjack . As allignments go a very positive image i'm sure you will agree winter_solstice_chun_quoit1.jpg cairn_kenidjack1.jpg

   Hello David , just noticed this and apologies for another negative post  .
The problem I see with the pic as evidence for an alignment is there are only two components ,one natural and one man made if there were a third man made component it would have a lot more salience  or if the angle of the capstone was oriented in the direction of Carn Kenidjack .Another problem is that the Carn is not  particularly prominent in the view from the Quoit ,  it might even be lower in altitude . A similar local example might be the Boswens Common standing stone which would provide a view of the setting equinox  sun (cloud permitting ) over the Carn but I wouldn't suggest it as being meaningful for the same reasons as above .

George

George you really should visit the site . carn Kenidjack is one of the only prominent features on the horizon at all and is as shown in the image of the sunset . If I were building a tomb some couple of thousand years ago why on earth would one feel the need to have a third pointer surely that's the sun ?

David , what about the Boswens croft standing stone ? it provides the same photo opportunity  ,prehistoric site to local natural feature with sun as a back drop on an astronomically  auspicious day of the year . Neither would be accepted by most archaeoastronomers because of the lack of intentionality . This criteria is usually  provided by a non- natural backsight or foresight e.g.  a standing stone like an outlier to a stone which gives the all important indication of line of sight from or to the primary monument .If the cap stone of the quoit had been aligned on the axis of the suggested alignment it may have provided some form of indication but it wasn’t . The sun has to set and rise at six points on the horizon on astronomically auspicious days  as seen from any monument , often these events coincide with points of the horizon that may  appear salient to an observer but without indication they are merely fortuitous .

George

[davidjones]

tiompan, on 11 January 2011 - 10:04, said:

davidjones, on 10 January 2011 - 18:35, said:

tiompan, on 8 October 2010 - 18:08, said:

davidjones, on 17 January 2010 - 22:17, said:

I have recently received some lovely images of a winter solstice image as seen from chun quoit as the sun sets over carn Kenidjack . As allignments go a very positive image i'm sure you will agree winter_solstice_chun_quoit1.jpg cairn_kenidjack1.jpg

   Hello David , just noticed this and apologies for another negative post  .
The problem I see with the pic as evidence for an alignment is there are only two components ,one natural and one man made if there were a third man made component it would have a lot more salience  or if the angle of the capstone was oriented in the direction of Carn Kenidjack .Another problem is that the Carn is not  particularly prominent in the view from the Quoit ,  it might even be lower in altitude . A similar local example might be the Boswens Common standing stone which would provide a view of the setting equinox  sun (cloud permitting ) over the Carn but I wouldn't suggest it as being meaningful for the same reasons as above .

George

George you really should visit the site . carn Kenidjack is one of the only prominent features on the horizon at all and is as shown in the image of the sunset . If I were building a tomb some couple of thousand years ago why on earth would one feel the need to have a third pointer surely that's the sun ?

David , what about the Boswens croft standing stone ? it provides the same photo opportunity  ,prehistoric site to local natural feature with sun as a back drop on an astronomically  auspicious day of the year . Neither would be accepted by most archaeoastronomers because of the lack of intentionality . This criteria is usually  provided by a non- natural backsight or foresight e.g.  a standing stone like an outlier to a stone which gives the all important indication of line of sight from or to the primary monument .If the cap stone of the quoit had been aligned on the axis of the suggested alignment it may have provided some form of indication but it wasn’t . The sun has to set and rise at six points on the horizon on astronomically auspicious days  as seen from any monument , often these events coincide with points of the horizon that may  appear salient to an observer but without indication they are merely fortuitous .

George

quartz pointer stone gate stones, cap stone and hole, Pendeen hill with historical footpath Church beyond all aligned equilux thats two days
quoit and Karn Kenidjack winter solstice sunset
I am told by a previous owner of the land that a standing stone further away does align via the quoit and the summer solstice but have not observed this yet
so what other dates do you suggest . Are you suggesting that chun quoit is a random burial ?

[tiompan]

davidjones, on 27 January 2011 - 14:56, said:

tiompan, on 11 January 2011 - 10:04, said:

davidjones, on 10 January 2011 - 18:35, said:

tiompan, on 8 October 2010 - 18:08, said:

davidjones, on 17 January 2010 - 22:17, said:

I have recently received some lovely images of a winter solstice image as seen from chun quoit as the sun sets over carn Kenidjack . As allignments go a very positive image i'm sure you will agree winter_solstice_chun_quoit1.jpg cairn_kenidjack1.jpg

   Hello David , just noticed this and apologies for another negative post  .
The problem I see with the pic as evidence for an alignment is there are only two components ,one natural and one man made if there were a third man made component it would have a lot more salience  or if the angle of the capstone was oriented in the direction of Carn Kenidjack .Another problem is that the Carn is not  particularly prominent in the view from the Quoit ,  it might even be lower in altitude . A similar local example might be the Boswens Common standing stone which would provide a view of the setting equinox  sun (cloud permitting ) over the Carn but I wouldn't suggest it as being meaningful for the same reasons as above .

George

George you really should visit the site . carn Kenidjack is one of the only prominent features on the horizon at all and is as shown in the image of the sunset . If I were building a tomb some couple of thousand years ago why on earth would one feel the need to have a third pointer surely that's the sun ?

David , what about the Boswens croft standing stone ? it provides the same photo opportunity  ,prehistoric site to local natural feature with sun as a back drop on an astronomically  auspicious day of the year . Neither would be accepted by most archaeoastronomers because of the lack of intentionality . This criteria is usually  provided by a non- natural backsight or foresight e.g.  a standing stone like an outlier to a stone which gives the all important indication of line of sight from or to the primary monument .If the cap stone of the quoit had been aligned on the axis of the suggested alignment it may have provided some form of indication but it wasn’t . The sun has to set and rise at six points on the horizon on astronomically auspicious days  as seen from any monument , often these events coincide with points of the horizon that may  appear salient to an observer but without indication they are merely fortuitous .

George

quartz pointer stone gate stones, cap stone and hole, Pendeen hill with historical footpath Church beyond all aligned equilux thats two days
quoit and Karn Kenidjack winter solstice sunset
I am told by a previous owner of the land that a standing stone further away does align via the quoit and the summer solstice but have not observed this yet
so what other dates do you suggest . Are you suggesting that chun quoit is a random burial ?

Is the cap stone oriented towards the solstice ? Apart from the unobserved /undated stone ,the non contemporaneous  gates ,paths and churches will not convince archaeoastronomers of intention on behalf of the builders of the quoit .
  I don't know what a random burial may be , but I expect that the Chun Quoit isn't one .

[davidjones]

Is the cap stone oriented towards the solstice ? Apart from the unobserved /undated stone ,the non contemporaneous  gates ,paths and churches will not convince archaeoastronomers of intention on behalf of the builders of the quoit .
  I don't know what a random burial may be , but I expect that the Chun Quoit isn't one .
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Sometimes I believe you just like me to repeat myself . All the orientations and views are on the website discussion of which you are now a major part. If you believe all is chance and I'm barking up the wrong tree so be it . But one day If you make the journey surprise yourself how many coincidences just happen to align. And the other 13,665 visitors can form their own view  

[tiompan]

I have repeated what I said on the original posts too. No answer on the one possible point that might give some salience to the orientation .Is the capstone aligned on the solstice ? The other possibly positive component ,the standing stone we have ,as yet no evidence for . Gates ,"historical paths " and churches  may convince thousands as would the suggested Boswens croft standing stone equinox "alignment "  but not archaeoastronomers .

[kevin.b]

Surely these structures were origonally covered in a mound, possibly with a stone circle surrounding the mound?
I would recommend looking at the alignments to these from the enterances in the so called hillforts.
Then see what solstice/equinox alignments they match.
Kevin

[davidjones]

Dear Kevin
Agreed the quoit was most probably covered Do you think the deep cup mark on the top housed some form of marker like a cross would today ?.sadly over the last couple of hundred years most of the stone circles have been robbed of their stones by farmers and house builders and only the largest or most obviously interesting left. There is a great book in St Just library written by a local clergy who recognised the problem and drew all the surrounding stone circles quite accurately a couple of centuries back - sorry cannot remember title. I think one of the remaining parts of a circle are part of the inside of the chun castle           http://www.megalithi...e=pebbletripper

[kevin.b]

Davidjones,
              I am long overdue a wander about Cornwall again, I have friends who live in st buryan.
I have scrambled about atop many sites down there, and in My not to be spoken manner up here have located the precise point above such sites, and have noted cup marks or holes there.
Think in terms of the tenon sort of joints on stonehenge, and think also in terms of a stone protruding above the coverings but morticed into the top stone to maintain a perfect connection at that point in case of slippage etc of the covering.
Think of the antennae You can see atop many hills presently in cornwall.
It's often windy up those fabulous hills down there, and I will be blown off this thread if I say anymore.
I would recommend a comparison with kercado in france, where I have been to.
Just to establish how Chun castle may hace looked like origonally.
kercado has a central stone atop, and a stone circle exterior, there is some re-build there , but it gives a better visual?
http://www.panoramio.../photo/14616356
Kevin

[davidjones]

Thanks for that . If around on the equilux next week ,17th I think, look out for the allignment . I'm otherwise detained trying to buy Hele Mill in North Devon