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Maen Llia

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Maen Llia Standing Stone.  
On the upper reaches of Afon Llia, where a principal tributary bends from an easterly stretch to southerly, meeting others there;
and shortly flowing to join the Afon Dringarth, becoming the Afon (River) Mellte.

The (vertical) bearings in the figure are toward the Mellte’s entrance into the cave of Porth yr Ogof, (shown in red), and its remergence, (blue).
Their perpendiculars loosely match some ground markings at the site . A pale ring shows what might have been a circle (or section) around the stone.

After reemerging from the cave, which contains visible fossils and a calcite formation resembling a white horse, the flood-prone Mellte runs wildly through cataracts.
Charmed . Beautifully mad

(I suggest that) The stone may have been placed as a shamanistic pathway to an ‘above-world’, (an interpretation also offered for the Rudstone Monolith)
where this stream turns from a 'balanced east', south -- (a direction which may have held occult implications for them) -- towards its experience in the ‘below-world’.

Base image source: Google Maps . The image title is linked to their site at the Stone's coordinates.

Interesting Links on these locations : Diego's photo of Maen Llia . Wikipedia on Afon Llia, Afon Dringarth, Afon Mellte and Porth yr Ogof . And, The Modern Antiquarian, which also has good pages on these sites.
Regarding the (proposed) importance of east-west flowing (especially flooding) water and directional changes in rivers please see: The Great Wold Valley ; (in same thread, posts 9 & 10, regarding the Merrivale Stone Rows) ; and the thread, Silbury, Silbaby & The Environs.

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It is worth considering that rather than, (or more remotely, in addition to), being a spirit pathway ... the broad Maen Llia may have represented a female river deity .




A possibly related topic : Harold's Stones . Our hosts' page here ; the Modern Antiquarian's here ; Google map here, (look for three long shadows in the second field to the northwest of the green arrow), are similarly positioned to Maen Llia ; in that they are near a sharp bend high on a tributary stream, (in this case of the river Usk), where it turns from running (roughly) south, to running (roughly) west . The stream also appears to include the easternmost water which will flow into the Usk, as opposed to the Wye .

One may consider whether tribal territories were defined in terms of river systems or parts thereof ; if one rather, in terms of valleys .

Also, the extent to which the change in a stream's direction, from the N-S to the W-E, was considered spiritually significant . Such a change accompanied the Scottish recumbent circle Aikey Brae, (mentioned here, and here) ; the Rudston Monolith on the Gypsey Race, (red dot on the map here) ; and Silbury Hill, where a local Winterbourne stream turns to become the Kennet ; among other places .

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Anew,
I can only report what I detect,
And river courses interest myself, especially the circuler bends in rivers which I find follow the outer circulations of vector points in the geometry that I follow.
I try to check the geology of such bends to see why they maintain the course they do and often encounter zones of clay that have built up over many many years.
I am fortunate to live very close by the river Cherwell and walk my dogs along miles of it, they now know the points where I mark out such points and check them right through the year, the fields are full of cattle and sheep, but when i used to bother pushing sach as spoons etc into the points to check that nothing moved I never found a millimetre of movement.
Thus over years I know there is a FIXED matrix that the dual spin flows follow and circulate around where the vector points are, and the rivers mirrow the self same circulations.
The flows on the fixed geometry do vary, and it is my personal opinion that the water, especially the hydrogen interacts with the flows and is thus enticed by attraction and repulsion to follow the variable flows of the invisable stuff.

I have the advantage of dowsing where the visual is not so important, thus water underground can be followed, and this meanders differently to the surface, and if You think in terms of spiral vortexs that both spiral inbound and spiral outwards , then the resultant attraction and repulsion courses will vary with elevation, both downwards and upwards.
I cannot strees the duality aspect too strongly, and I swear on my childrens lives that there is a duality of spin charges that circulate around in opposite directions, one is inbound into the central point(male0 the other is emitting from the point and is going in the opposite direction( female)
Thus it depends on the invisable flow to determine if the bend in the river is male or female.
I realise the annoyance this must cause for those who cannot detect this, but it's horses for courses, as such, and the river course is not by accident, not at all( think of the northern flowing rivers in the northern hemisphere?????, and WHY they were worshipped so)

The wind, the rain, so called gravity, river flows, tides etc etc, are all acting sy7mbiotically with what is none visable to our eyes, but not to the hands.
Kevin

[kevin.b]

Anew,
          You may be interested in the river and stones connection shown in this link?
http://arxiv.org/ftp...9/1009.4753.pdf
Kevin

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kevin.b, on 8 November 2010 - 09:41, said:

Anew,
          You may be interested in the river and stones connection shown in this link?
http://arxiv.org/ftp...9/1009.4753.pdf
Kevin

Thanks, Kevin, that is interesting .

The connection of cupmarks with the sun engraving at Ngaut Ngaut may add weight to the hypothesis these were used to start ritual fires .
The common Aboriginal assigning of a female gender to the sun, and a male to the moon, is noted ; (and the reverse of my own imagining) .
The use of a zig-zag ~ and a bird ~ to represent the Milky Way is of interest . I have wondered what role the Milky Way played in symbolism .
As the Aboriginal Australians are ancient culture, i feel any of these could have roots in traditions old enough to have been expressed in Africa, Europe and Asia .




To the subject of stones stood near where streams change direction, another ancient custom i have wondered about ~ spinning ~ might be applied .

The photo linked here shows an Omani man spinning fiber into yarn by the ancient drop-spindle method . Though other photos : here, here and here, make clear that the angle of approach to the corner could vary, they have in common a vertical or near vertical drop from it ~ by implication, if expressed on the landscape ~ one to the south, (or to another cardinal direction) . In this context, Maen Llia may have represented the spiritual spinner of the Afon Mellte, gathering waters from the clouds and winding them into a stream which became the river at the center of, (i speculate), the tribe's territory .

( I thank the Oman Ministry of Tourism, Catalina Filip, and Wikipedia for the images here linked. )

[kevin.b]

Anew,
it is such a boost to see Your post appear.
Do not be too concerned about male/female, imho the system is both, as are You.
This describes exactly how I detect the life force about all living things( the earth is just a bit larger)
http://www.greatdrea...6/134anuqa.html

The none physical You is a combination of both of those drawings, the physical you is within them, supplied by them and enabled to be.
The overall system is the self same, it's scalar, and We view the fine consequence on the surface area of the earth.
The "Sky Boss" of the aborigonal link is the core of the ANU torroid of galaxy, the milky way shows the cyclic trip into male/female dominance.
It occurs this trip every day twice a day, but the really big trips are the solstice and equinox timings.

All life on this planet has evolved in accordance with this galatic trip.
The ANU in isolation is IMHO a 720 degree dual sphere that if opened out to 2D will give a figure of eight pathway.
Which ever sphere is dominant in spin , the other is always seeking to reverse, this is the drive of creation.
The seperate spin states keep apart and congregate in flows, they combine at geometric vortex compression points, and then supply all to enable creation and maintain that craeation.
The method is that the universe is a fully packed sea of a substance that can be orientated into the myriad of combinations that We are part of.
I consider the intimate knowledge of ANU is at the very core of all tribes and megalithic builders constructions as they knew that WE and all life is those flows, We are the serpent flows.
We occupy on a temporary basis the dense bodies that We supply to experience this density.
We come from, and return to the flows.
The leylines are lasers, the magnetic spiral spin created by them carries the dual spin force that locally re-orientates the base substance.
The leylines are of universe, and the geometry pinchs and creation occurs of stars/planets/moons/YOU.

The cardinal directions are where a majority of the leylines are orientated about, but that majority is acrosss many degrees, and meanders about the spheres surface in accordance with galatic such geometry.

No-thing exists unless the duality of spin ANU is there, space is large scale areas of seperate aligned flows of ANU called birkeland currents.
Kevin

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This may be of distant relevance here :

http://www.stonepage...skin-maen-llia/

As is visible in satellite photographs, the valley high within which this stone stands has faint ground-lines which may or may not be as ancient as the stone, (i don't know) .
They bear some resemblance to the pattern on the hide in the linked post . If this was intentional, it may be that the animal made enough of an impression on people that they considered its pattern a symbol which they brought with them to a land far outside its range ~ to a time when sight of the actual animal was, (i would think), generations removed from the living memory of those who set up the stone and marked the land .