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[tiompan]

Anew, on 10 October 2009 - 11:36, said:

tiompan, on 10 October 2009 - 11:03, said:

Anew , Considering that the diameter of he henge is nearly 100m and the distance from the henge to the junction of the avenue where it changes direction is 600m then it leaves a lot of room for manoeuvre .

Which can help, when, if

tiompan, on 10 October 2009 - 11:03, said:

Now that there is yet another monument in a landscape covered in possible "alignments" or astronomical, geodesic and numerical associations it's worth mentioning that from what is being called Bluestonehenge there are a few "close enough for jazz " examples that might interest the "ancient man's sat nav " or similar thinking brigade .

Guilty i am i am i am and jazz is good if it's felt

tiompan, on 10 October 2009 - 11:03, said:

Just thought I would mention it before somebody else thinks it is noteworthy .
Barrow (1) =51.165869 -1.827366
Barrow (2)= 51.170124 -1.828491

Bst – Stonehenge =2.151 m

Bst –Woodhenge =2.164 m

Bst – Barrow (1) =2.159 m

Bst -Barrow (2) =2.151 m

George

Your date -- dance with her

LOL . I think she may be a mannequin .

George

[Anew]

tiompan, on 10 October 2009 - 13:58, said:

LOL . I think she may be a mannequin .

Show her the chalk fetish objects



Toss out the landscape triangle just described ; Toss out Lundy Island (to be sure) ; Offer your best explanation of why Stonehenge is where it is, and if considered alone, so far from water

[kevin.b]

This video clip is a bit rubbish, but it's a scrap.
Why does He persist in assumptions?
How can they state that the stones came from wales  after just a few scrags of dolerite were found?
What are the avenue angles from this to SH, anyone know?

Kevin

[Anew]

kevin.b, on 10 October 2009 - 20:53, said:

How can they state that the stones came from wales

Detailed geochemical analysis of the rock, as i recall ; it was given some going over in the forums a while back . The best match found thus far is to sourcing in Wales . There is similar evidence, (from teeth), that some of the people buried in the Stonehenge area grew up in Wales, so the consensus has solidified around the Welsh, (largely Preseli), source . It seems right to me . Please see Wikipedia on Carn Menyn

One thing that might be considered in this context is Rhestr Gerrig, (the river of stones), a glacial morraine on the slopes of Carn Menyn which could have made an impression on them . Something seems to have charmed this dolorite stone in their eyes ; and the metaphorical contrast between the (moving) 'stone river',  and the (still) sarsen beds might have suggested to them to combine the two

[Pete G]

I went to Mike Parker Pearsons talk at Devizes Museum tonight.
It was very detailed and contained a lot of info that will take a while to digest.
I recorded it for study and will make a copy available if I can find somewhere to host a 35mb wav file.
For now I would recommend that you don't believe anymore than 10% of what you have read in the press.

PeteG

[kevin.b]

PeteG,
      Was any mention made of the Avenue , in particuler the geophiz findings of the ditchs either side and what occurs where the avenue changes directions?
I need to walk this avenue and will be very very surprised if i do not encounter circuler cog like points where the avenue changes directions.
kevin

[kevin.b]

Anew, on 10 October 2009 - 22:53, said:

kevin.b, on 10 October 2009 - 20:53, said:

How can they state that the stones came from wales

Detailed geochemical analysis of the rock, as i recall ; it was given some going over in the forums a while back . The best match found thus far is to sourcing in Wales . There is similar evidence, (from teeth), that some of the people buried in the Stonehenge area grew up in Wales, so the consensus has solidified around the Welsh, (largely Preseli), source . It seems right to me . Please see Wikipedia on Carn Menyn

One thing that might be considered in this context is Rhestr Gerrig, (the river of stones), a glacial morraine on the slopes of Carn Menyn which could have made an impression on them . Something seems to have charmed this dolorite stone in their eyes ; and the metaphorical contrast between the (moving) 'stone river',  and the (still) sarsen beds might have suggested to them to combine the two

Anew,
    I mean't the few scraps of dolorite found at this new site, not in general where the stones origonated from.
The chippings found could have been from said dolorites, or they could be simply chippings available used as packing.
The assumptiond i talked of were MPP talking of possible uses of this site, the findings are fabulous and note worthy without spoiling them by adding speculation into the mix.
I think it reasonable to assume that the post holes contained the dolorites, and the very minute detailing of that material needs carefully examining, the devil will be in the detail, the very very fine detail of the crystaline structure of each different type of stone employed.
Is it reasonable to suggest that those who constructed this had little or no tools and implements available to them?
If so, they surely then relied upon HUMAN interpretation and surveying skills, whatever they were?
They did not rely on machines, but their instincts.
is it not reasonable to suggest that the best method of understanding these sites is to mirror what the builders utilised?
kevin

[flinteastwood]

Bst – Stonehenge =2.151 m

Bst –Woodhenge =2.164 m

Bst – Barrow (1) =2.159 m

Bst -Barrow (2) =2.151 m

Sorry a bit dim today, Bst?

Am I the only person slightly disturbed by the vice like grip that Parker Pearson has on this project?

I first encountered him while reading about Iron Age cosmology and while I found his theories facinating I was troubled that it was almost impossible to find any one that had published a contrary view.  Now I feel that he is "muscling in" on this project and while his theories are very plausable it would be really good to hear a voice of dissent.

Whilst a look at any map will show that the British Neolithic liked to build these large ceremonial complexes in the crook of a river bend (or in the case of Brodgar (Orkney) on a peninsular of land where a sea lough and marsh land stand as surrugates for the absent river)  does this of necessity imply the "land of the living  - -land of the ancestors" journey that MPP supposes?

[Pete G]

flinteastwood, on 11 October 2009 - 16:24, said:

Am I the only person slightly disturbed by the vice like grip that Parker Pearson has on this project?

I first encountered him while reading about Iron Age cosmology and while I found his theories facinating I was troubled that it was almost impossible to find any one that had published a contrary view.  Now I feel that he is "muscling in" on this project and while his theories are very plausable it would be really good to hear a voice of dissent.

Whilst a look at any map will show that the British Neolithic liked to build these large ceremonial complexes in the crook of a river bend (or in the case of Brodgar (Orkney) on a peninsular of land where a sea lough and marsh land stand as surrugates for the absent river)  does this of necessity imply the "land of the living  - -land of the ancestors" journey that MPP supposes?

Darvill & Wainwright have differing views to MPP,
http://www.bbc.co.uk...mes/stonehenge/

PeteG

[tiompan]

flinteastwood, on 11 October 2009 - 16:24, said:

Bst – Stonehenge =2.151 m

Bst –Woodhenge =2.164 m

Bst – Barrow (1) =2.159 m

Bst -Barrow (2) =2.151 m

Sorry a bit dim today, Bst?

Am I the only person slightly disturbed by the vice like grip that Parker Pearson has on this project?

I first encountered him while reading about Iron Age cosmology and while I found his theories facinating I was troubled that it was almost impossible to find any one that had published a contrary view.  Now I feel that he is "muscling in" on this project and while his theories are very plausable it would be really good to hear a voice of dissent.

Whilst a look at any map will show that the British Neolithic liked to build these large ceremonial complexes in the crook of a river bend (or in the case of Brodgar (Orkney) on a peninsular of land where a sea lough and marsh land stand as surrugates for the absent river)  does this of necessity imply the "land of the living  - -land of the ancestors" journey that MPP supposes?

Sorry Flint , Bst = new monument i.e.Bluestonehenge . Meaningless  numbers anyway .

George

[Diego]

Pete G, on 10 October 2009 - 23:02, said:

will make a copy available if I can find somewhere to host a 35mb wav file.

If you want to, I can compress that wav file to MP3 and put it on one of the Stone Pages servers to share. Just send me an e-mail message or PM and I will send you back the instructions for the upload.

Diego