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[IrishStones]

Galacian, I think Nigel was just bored. I can't think of any reason you'd have to be upset with me. I have only agreed and praised you as far as I know. I think maybe he thought I'd annoy you, just in general.

I wrote a reply which got eaten by the Internet, and I haven't the strength to rewrite, so I'll summarise and clarify. Of course, I don't think the ancients knew of Quantuum Physics. That doesn't mean the energy involved did not exsist. I am musing that perhaps the ancients did not live wholly in this (our) level of reality. That they tapped into or harnessed this (other) energy on some molecular level. What does this have to do with megaliths? Nothing. What does it have to do with "special sites" a lot, if landscape in fact, was chosen for Its effect on these energies. I'm suggesting this was the beginning of the superstitions that led to the sites and religion in general. It was "knowing god" on a different level than we can conceive.

When I said I didn't think the ancients were interested in summoning dark powers, I meant just that. In the context of the "weird feelings" we get, I think it is psychological material which makes us afraid. I don't think the negative vibes we get have to do with the inherent energy of the place. I agree with you, energy is energy. I'm also hypothesising that the way it is utilized can increase a community or add to its demise. For this reason what we have come to name as "vibes" or "chi" or "metaphysical energy" can be viewed as good or bad, depending on its effect. I'm guessing ancient man was fully capable of at least recognizing the existence of subtle particle level energies. In short, that he could know without knowing. A skill lost on modern man, as we must have proof of everything, and what goes unexplained is disregarded. Our dependence on empirical evidence would not have been a good survival technique for the ancients.

[Franco]

Now, as some of you guys said earlier, maybe psychology plays a big part in that weird feeling we have when we're around some sites. I can just say (I'm Italian and the only sites I've visited were in Ireland) that I've taken some very big and deep decisions about my life while approaching or leaving stone circles or ancient sites. Maybe that was just an excuse, who knows. Has anyone had similar experiences?

[fireflite]

Sorry, been away from my desk again...

Galician, Didn't I mention the sheep that were dancing in the rain? OK nevermind.

Nigel, I believe in what I see (hear, feel). I believe in ghosts because I've seen them. I believe in God because I've seen and heard Him (Don't worry I won't get all religious). I believe that there's a force or power in the Mounds because I've felt it. I don't think it's the stones that cause it because I've been to places without mounds that feel odd. OK so maybe it's just in my head, and I'm not convinced yet it's not, or I'd have a best seller on the market.

IrishStones - I believe the pueblos are more centered around NM than AZ. but there is some pretty amazing stuff here too, even some stone circles (well brick actually)! I love driving across the country and picking out what I'm convinced are passage mounds, that to most people just look like hills. I say this because I know of several hills in EIRE that are really mounds, but are kept hidden by the local farmer.

Question - has anybody noticed how many crop circles are photographed next to mounds or stones?
hmmmmm.

[Arran and Emma]

Oooh, we find ourselves back here again!

Fireflite,  I think that the old crop-circle card shouldn’t really be played here. We live in the heart of crop-circle territory and it’s great fun looking out for the new ones (though this seasons are being harvested now). However, I think you’re forgetting the fact that they are made by people. Trust us, they are incredible works of art, inspirational and magical, but they are made by human-beings. There are many reason that they are often found around ancient sites. Firstly, the add to the mystery of the place. Secondly, these places are often in unspoilt countryside, full of fields and therefore ideal for the placing of them. Thirdly, they aren’t going be noticed if they are just pressed into an empty field in the middle of nowhere, they mainly get put where there are lots of people traffic. Finally, they are almost always placed so that they are viewable by roads.

If you are in doubt of the creators of them, last year our countryside was totally shut off due to the foot-and-mouth disease outbreak. And last year was a very quiet year for crop-circles. We’ve sat in many a crop circle and they feel magical, they really do. Stonehenge was made by people, so were the burial mounds and they all have a special feeling about them. Why shouldn’t crop-circles?

Damn, I feel so dirty taking away a bit of the magic there – so let me put some more back in with a story about what happened to us in Cornwall a few months ago. It was a few days after the Summer Solstice and we were doing a grand tour of the ancient Cornish site (which I must recommend because they are so varied and great). One evening, after visiting the Merry Maidens, we were sitting in our tent when we read that just down the road from that site was a chambered tomb,  Tregiffian. This tomb was pretty unique due to the deep cup-marks on one of the entrance stones. It was late evening and starting to get dark, but even so we dashed off to it in our car. Once we had found it, neatly cut up by the road, we stayed for a few minutes taking photographs and marvelling at how we could have missed such a beautiful site in the first place. We were the only people there, indeed we were the only people in the whole area it seemed. It was truly amazing, and as the sunlight was being replaced by the darkness, an eerie yet jovial feeling prevailed. We walked to the hundred meters or so back to the car when Emma decided she wanted to go back quickly to say goodbye again, it felt right. She left the camera on the bonnet of the car (oh yes), and ran up and back quickly whilst I read some more about the site. When she climbed back into the car we drove off. It was only after we’d got 50 meters away she asked me what I had done with the camera. I hadn’t. It honestly wasn’t on the car as we drove off and it hadn’t slipped off before we started off. We check the road, hedgerows with torches for a hour or so, but there was no luck. We couldn’t and didn’t find it. It had vanished, taken by who? Well, we believe it was those little folk that have such a rich folk-history down in the West Country… yes faeries! Looking back on it, we felt their presence and their mischievousness but it didn’t click. And now they’ve got a good camera with some excellent photographs on. Well I hope they’re happy!

[fireflite]

Sorry, but I don't buy the 2 drunk lads with a stick routine for the circles. There's some that are just too intricate and precise. Also in defence of the circles. There WERE circles created last year and why has nobody been caught, especially with the increased security around farm lands? I'm not saying that the circles are magical anyways. I have my own theories on how there made.     I'm just wondering if maybe someone is trying to steer awareness towards some of these ancient sites.

[Arran and Emma]

We don't but the two drunk lads with sticks either. But we do accept is that in the summer months, large groups of well organised people set off and make the circles themselves. There is no more security around farmland here, I should know! And as for no one getting caught, well a few people have been and many farmers are in on the game too (some even charge entry into their field to see it).

[Arran and Emma]

Fireflite, sorry - forgot to ask what your theories are, we're not all closed minds and would be interested to know.

[fireflite]

I find it hard to believe that some of the  amazing patterns are done by farmers or locals. or even large groups of well organised people. There's also the fact that the wheat, or whatever, is bent and not broken and there is a molecular change in the bend of the stalk!

There are several things that keep surfacing on the internet, like hyperdimensional physics (see Tesla), that got me thinking about how somebody could make a "Circle" with out breaking the plant and creating the  intricate patterns that I've seen (online). Strange lights seen by researchers or circles happening overnight in fields without researchers seeing anything until daylight when Viola'! a circle is in the field.

We have the technology to bend plants without touching them. I have 8+ years of personal experience dealing with it. I work in the semiconductor field, working in a Cleanroom enviroment (10,000 x cleaner than a surgery) using "cutting edge" technology. Ever heard of a Plasma? (No I'm not talking about transfusions Galician).    Plasma is the fourth of matter. Solid=> Water=> Gas=> Plasma. A plasma is an ionized gas. This means that negatively chargeds ions in the gas are breaking electrons off the molecules in the gas which creates a glow (a flourescent light is a type of plasma). All you need is a cathode, an anode and a power source to flow between them.
There is a facility in Alaska called HAARP or HIGH FREQUENCY ACTIVE AURORAL RESEARCH PROGRAM  "HAARP is a scientific endeavor aimed at studying the properties and behavior of the ionosphere, with particular emphasis on being able to understand and use it to enhance communications and surveillance systems for both civilian and defense purposes."   WHAT???  Nikola Tesla showed that by converging to Electromagnetic beams of specific wavelengths differing energy sources could be achieved.  HAARP transmits High Frequency Electromagnetic beams into the "Ionosphere".

OK so what does all this have to do with Crop Circles?  If a beam from HAARP and one from another facility in say,  London or even Belgium were transmitted at a certain point over say  Windmill Hill, near Avebury, Wiltshire , a plasma could be directed toward the ground. This would cause a direct molecular change in the structure of anything in its path. The swirling pattern of the plants could be achieved by manipulating the power source in a circular pattern. THIS CAN BE DONE. I know from first hand experience.    

Well, YOU ASKED!  

[galician]

I'm not an expert, Fireflite, but I knew that there's another kind of plasma that is not used in transfusions    In fact, I think that we don't use it in transfusions because in nature, it always exists at very high temperature or pressure, if we apply it to our patients, they would be turned into smoke before paying the bill, so... How can it bend the wheat instead of converting those fields in a great bonfire?

[IrishStones]

I have a question. If we have evidence, as they say we do, that 80% of these are man-made, wouldn't we also have the evidence about how they were made? How can we have a statistic without proof? Just ask these people who are doing it how they did it. What do they say? in the remaining 20%, what are the physical differences?

Also, in the spirit of this thread, some people say they "feel" weird standing in them. Does anyone describe those feelings with any more detail? I would love to read a descriptive account of what it is we think we are feeling at these sites, crop or stone.

[Arran and Emma]

Fireflite, thank you for your detailed reply. It was certainly a fascinating read.

OK, we'd say that the large, complex circles are definately hoaxes. But there could be some speculation of the smaller simpler circles. We might not be experts on them, but we live in an area that gets 'hit' many, many times in the summer months so we've had much experience with them.

We do know how most of these circles are made, it maybe a cliche but its amazing how much you can do with some planks and some ropes (especially if the farmer's with you!)

As for strange feelings within these circles, well we've been in a quite a few, from grand, large designs to smaller single circles. And as our comments a few lines above state, there smaller circles are much more magical. Maybe this is because they're less visited, though maybe there's some other reason.

[Nigel]

Of course you can have a statistic without proof. 80% of unsolved crimes in Britain are committed by French lorry drivers. Everyone knows that.

[IrishStones]

Well, this has been an eye-opener. So you are agreeing that no one has been caught doing this and that the statement "80% of these are man-made" is just a number someone made up and we all believe it now? I thought people had admitted to this, and from them we'd learn how they, at least, accomplished it. From the designs I've seen, they are identical to computer graphics. Certainly not freehand. Why couldn't a hovering robot be programmed to do this? Are the statments I've read about scientists finding unexplained alterations to the soil etc. as much BS as the reports that we "know" they are man-made?

What is this kind of disinformation accomplishing when we need to know how to get to the bottom of this silliness?

You Brits are so much more complacent than we Yanks. We get pretty angry when we are lied to as if we were children.

[fireflite]

The 2 drunk lads tried to prove they were responsible and failed miserably! I believe the opposite of what A&E said is true. The simple ones are obviously man made, but I don't see how it's possible for the more complex ones (which include straight and curved lines) to be made with out the some sort of "computer" aid. Stones, you wouldn't need a "robot" as this could all be performed remotely, by the 2 intersect energy beams I spoke of earlier, and Galician, with the right type of energy, heat is not a big issue...

[Arran and Emma]

Firelight, we've run away from you and your upside-down world, find the follow up here You've really got to see the crop formation that was made just down the road from us, tell me that's not made by humans! Come on, you've got this all the wrong way round!