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[Vlad]

Yes, Kevin; there are places on Earth, which alter our used ways or functioning of our minds. But all kinds of generalizations about it are void and harmful. I really care for you, Kevin. Therefore, please, take this old recipy of St. PACHOMIUS and St.ANTHONY - founding fathers
of monasteries of the Egyptian desert and stick to it.
You should choose a headquarters - a kind of a spiritual base, for you. If it`s your appartment, that`s good. Then, find a spot within your
base, where your mind is drawn to those idealistic thoughts as if of its own. This will be the place, where your mind is to be ANCHORED.
You can possibly meditate there. One is important - you should understand and feel that you ARE this place...You can write a diary of your visions, which THIS place gives you.
Only slowly, explore the rest of your headquarters. You`ll as if find optimal places for sculpturing, composing music, writing letters or poems, gymnastics, etc. What it`s all about!? Well, you need to focus your concentration within a small portion of this newly discovered psychical dimension of the space. As it is now you are insisting on your "spreading" around the whole globe!? And remember; real hunter-gatherers didn`t need dowsing rods!!
Sicerely yours
Vlad

[Peregrine]

Vlad wrote : << real hunter-gatherers didn't need dowsing rods!!>>

You cannot know this for sure, Vlad.

This is speculation.


Peregrine.

[Vlad]

We have them still with us, Peregrine. Anthropology...anthropology. Try to find in Sir Frazer`s full issue of Golden Bough (20 books) such "primitive" hunters, which use rods.

[kevin.b]

Vlad ,
       Your statement about hunter gatherers not needing rods, I don't actually disagree with.
The more I am re-fining my dowsing, the less I need the rods.
The really amazing thing is how I now view all around me, every hill and valley, every little bump or hollow, every tree position, every mole hill, every toadstool or mushroom, and so many other things, all of them know better than us about what I follow, and you speedily begin to recognise every little clue, I am becoming ONE, again with all around me.
Imagine if this was accepted as the norm, and taught from the cradle ?
To be, and to live as ONE, with all around you, instead we have this false plastic world, and control, I am free of this control, and see all around me wonder and am in awe.
I am trying to convey some of what I am finding, but it is not easy, when nearly all others are almost content to be in this plastic world, but I promise you , it is totally false , and will fail.
Kevin

[Vlad]

P.S.
My advice to Kevin should be understood as suggestion to diminish excessfull verbalizations, which distance us from the designates.
As for gymnastics - or rather refining of the conscience of your body ; there`s such a branch of dowsing, which is called kinesiology. It`s one of the ways to dowse without any rods. In Chinese geomancy, one of simpler questions solved with it is checking, where the border between "new" and "used" life energy lies in a house.("Used" one lies of course at the North) You just straighten your arm and move slowly - "feeling" along your arm, how this borderline is located. Such techniques call for an introvertic attitude, i.e. the opposite to this one, which Kevin presents to us. Yes; find your own center and only then look for the knowledge about your "unitary" space. Why "unitary"!? Uhm..it`s too much words...you should just feel it. Only answer asked for by outsiders is to be verbalized.
Anyway; finding "natural" borders in a landscape should be a basic excercise for a properly trained dowser. Only after that - when the "scale" is set, you`ll get a balanced view of what`s inside. It`s another ilustration to the thesis, that starting from generalizations gives you only another generalization, i.e. only more words.

[Vlad]

Maybe it`s because of a concentration on large overwhelming ceremonial centra like Stonehemge, Avebury, etc., that megalithofans rarely ask such simple basic questions like :
- is a structure located at the centre of a landscape(principality; chieftaindom)or of the "whole" land!? If so; where are the borders of this piece of land, whose center we look at!?,
- is this construction a part of the interplay (bipolar structure) between extremes (e.g. yin-yang ; life-death) of the landscape, etc., or part of a more complicated spacial arrangement!?
- no matter which; is this construction coinciding with a special feature of an imagined bi- or multipolar "invisible" structure - i.e. system of common ideas in the minds of its constructors - or is it complete BS and we are at the step one!?  
If you could answer positively to one of those questions, first then you`re in a position to start a dowsing investigation, I suppose.

That a dowser is "feeling" yourself forward within an invisible system of ideas - result of an ancient interplay between "mind altering potential" of a piece of land and ancient people`s sensibility, comes clearly out from one peculiarity within Chinese geomancy:
- Should you go over to a flat, which neighbours the former flat from the North, you`d  state that the construction wall between those two appartments functions as a borderline between two separate set of ideas = human living spaces. Namely, the "used" life energy zone of the former flat is not detectable in the next one. A similar zone "forms" itself along the northern wall of the next area and as if "collects" the used energy of this one only and then disappears into "another" dimension!?

So much so, as to give you a hint about "natural" borders of a piece of a landscape. As you see, Kevin, a geomant begins from some basic ideas about the human living space and only after that possibly pays attention to "fairies", depersonified by our laic ways of thinking. By such "fairies" I mean your spirals, vortexes, etc. And maybe in the process, we`ve met the psychic foundations of treating our neighbours as "demons", sucking away our life potential!?

[Vlad]

As a summary. Here`s my personal view on the use of dowsing rods in mapping the "EXTRASENSORY" ENVIRONMENT of MEGALITHS. At first sight, this tool in your hands looks to me as a "mediator" (indicator) between your underconscious mind and your rational everyday conscience. Why talking about emotional non-verbal part of your mind in this context!? Well, it`s well known that all our discrete emotions are expressed quite plainly for everybody to see in the pattern of stress in our muscles. And instead of being rationally analyzed and categorized in the first place, those extrasensory impressions are shown directly - but only qualitatively, by those movements of the rods.

All dowsers try to implement some kind of devices, which help to quantify the response of rods or a pendulum. But they miss one important thing - repeatability of results. I haven`t  heard about a stabilizing procedure for one`s emotional mind, before a dowser enters a megalith environment!? And then, compairing results between different persons seems quite not in place, as they represent obviously different levels of sensibility. Studying Karl Kerenyi`s "Eleusis. Archetypal Image of Mother and Daughter", one can follow a discussion of psychical state of initiates, which are lead along the sacred road between Athens and Eleusis, where they`ll experience the Epopteia. They are being prepared to "see" something supernatural - Epiphany of Kore (The Daughter)!? Why we cannot find any conceiving description of the culmination of this religious experience!? Maybe the reason is that the secret is guarding itself by the very nature of it, i.e. non-verbality coming out from the fact that - at the culmination, the "mute" emotional mind takes overhand!?

Against the background of those remarks; I regard dowsing being closer to a religious experience that it was ever suspected before. Dowsing rods/pendulum are tools of concentration, which as if "neutralize" our rationality for a while.
It`s still a long way ahead before any reliable methods of dowsing could be recommended to the general public, I suppose.
Thank you