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[kevin.b]

123hopp, sorry, meant to add, the snakes carved on the balls.
If you can visualise that a matrix system exists around the globe, as a field ?
It resembles a clock gearing.
Each cog goes in opposite directions, and the plasma flows across to each cog.
If you can follow this invisable path, which I can, it snakes along, in a similer way as a snake or a dragons tail would.
it flows in both directions, so you could easily portray this as never ending, biting its own tail ?
It is invisable , except to the dowser, to the pineal gland in the centre of the front of the brain, the third eye.
I have a well developed third eye, I am hunter, I am dowser.
Kevin

[123hopp]

OK, Kevin. I`ve missed perhaps this detail with the third eye.  I`m simply accepting  a vision without much analyzing, I suppose.  Otherwise, I could impose my presuppositions on the "signal", or what!?  Anyway; it seems to me we both belong to this 10-15% margin of dowsers, who don`t  need any external tool!? Extreme introversion, which makes a "vessel" out of you - ready to accept a truly external signal, could be enough!?

Well, I agree that it`s quite productive to work with those "cogs" and winding Chinese "dragons". But vision I`d got at my dowsing start dealt with a kind of "stars", which fell from the sky and are now shining from the underground. (I mean this vision had been chosen that time from my underconscioussness) An advantage of such a vision was that it gave me connection to some old myths in hand. But your "cogs" are better at throwing light on the interactions between supposed plasma centers (i.e. my "stars").

Well; now as for the winding movement. Take for instance the Macedonian Star (of Alexander the Great), i.e. this sixteen- armed star. We divide 360 through 16 and it comes out that star arms are spaced by 22,5 grades. But if we should account for two edges per one arm (path) it`d make still minutier spacing of 32 signals (each 11,25 grade) to tresspass with a dowsing rod around a plasma center or -  still more difficult - when moving between two centers (cogs). I take here into account that most dowsers react to the "frequency jump" at a borderline not to the quality (frequency level) of what`s  inside a path between two borderlines. Herefrom- I suppose, comes this winding illusion, shared alike by people of traditional cultures with their rituals, as well as dowsers using external tools. But we - the minority of dowsers working with our whole body as a tool, are supposed to feel what`s inside, aren`t we!?

OK. As for me; since some years back I`ve been studying Greek mythology, starting from a working hypothesis that those, which contain seemingly unnecessary topographical details, could be distorted reports left by ancient dowsers to next generations. What about such a field of investigation!?

And Peregrine; Scandinavian eggs I`d met around Stockholm were made either of granite full of rose quartz crystals or granite with a high content of feldspar crystals. Both are occuring locally. Local gneisses and transformed limestones were not used for them.
Stonecarver; I`m looking forward for some interesting links from you. And Kevin; I`ll  do my best to trace your opposite flowing plasma streams in my surroundings this summer.

And guys - thank you for this warm welcome!!
123hopp

[yogro]

As a non dousing philistine, owner of several wire coat hangers , where do I start my dousing investigations?

[kevin.b]

Yogro, welcome again, I have missed you.
It's normally spelt dowsing, but yours sounds good if you are doing it in your house.
If you really want to start dowsing, and I really hope and wish that you do, you have nothing to loose , and all  the world to gain, it has humbled me, and I am in awe of what I detect.
To start dowsing on your own, remember that Rome wasn't built in a day.
I showed someone today in my shop how to dowse, he is a keen trout angler, and so I knew he would be able to fairly easily.
We are descended from hunter / gatherers, not too long ago, there was no supermarkets.
It is the hunting ability that is used, especially the pineal gland in the forehead, it is lying dormant almost in the majority of people.
I have spent most of my life hunting, from an early age I was fishing mad, to the exclusion of bothering to go to school, especially has I am somewhat dyslexic, I am 56 now and this subject was not known of, I am left handed which is part of most dyslexics.
upto the age of 40 I was rarely away from water, now I am an antique dealer and hunt a different quarry ( anything to make a profit on )
But all this hunting is now focused on the two flows of plasma that flow along the lines, commonly known as leylines.
The best spot to start dowsing is not at a stone circle, there are so many signals that you wont make sense of them without a dowser with you.
If there is a norman church near you, no need to go in, just walk slowly across the west doorway, or across the east end where a rose window or similer will be.
Hold two rods level, slightly gripped but not tightly, it is a very subtle foe you are after.
Simply walk very slowly and watch the rods like an hawk, if they move outwards or try to cross let them and don't just walk past where they try to move, I can measure the lines width and they are one inch wide precisely, so it is a small target, but the church gives you a chance, because the line will be exactly centre of each end.
If you achieve this, and it is not always the case, because our hunting instincts are been almost erradicated, but remember, the time you are all interested in, the people will have been super hunters, most overlook this and try to fit the sites into today.
Then go in the church and see how the line knows no obsticle as it comes through the walls etc.
If you then asked yourself simply what is moving these bits of wire, then you will know the path I am on, I am a long way down that path.
Kevin

[123hopp]

But Kevin; you haven`t  explained how to manufacture a dowsing tool out of those wire coat hangers. Well, yogro; it depends on the thickness of those wires. If it`s about 2 mm, you can make a loop - say 300 mm times 80 mm. At one narrow end, where you`ve spliced this wire together, you should leave two free ends protruding in opposite directions. You`can place such a wire loop in a delicate balance - with its free ends between your thumbs. If you have a wire of 4 - 5mm thickness, you can bend two L- rods out of it. Allow for 300 mm horizontal length and 100 mm in your grip. To diminish friction, you can set them into spare file plastic handles. Train balance for them too, before you set out for a hunt.  
Most frequent cause of stopping such experiments is the objection that you are taking the attitude of wishful thinking and to this eventual reactions of the tool are ascribed. Therefore, starting with well balanced tool is of utmost importance. Next step is trying to exercise your understanding of the tool reactions - two or three "answers" in the beginning is enough. Then try to achieve reproducilibity.
And here some "aber".  "Lines" are rather like "walls" set at an angle to the earth`s surface. Thus, you`ll get different reactions when advancing and returning along the same line. First time, you can get a signal when your head is leaving the "zone" and when backing the signal will come from your first foot entering the zone.
It`s not this bloody tool, which is important; it`s your body (aura; psyche, spine bones, spine muscles, etc. - different theories), which reacts with those invisible structures.
Good luck

[kevin.b]

123hopp, we are fortunate that english is a universal language ?
and that this brings together ourselves, but I am a feet and inchs man, ancient in most peoples eyes ?
The dowsing rods should be made from welding rods of steel or brass , around 1/8 of an inch, as 123hopp says if you are starting then you can use rods with tubes on the handles, but I don't like them, there is a good comparison to do with rubber.
10 inch by 5 inch handles, are fine, I have many different ones, some hand made, spiralled etc, but ordinary welding rods are best.
with the rod in your hand, you can feel the movement ( back to rubber ) and apreciate the sensation, of been in touch with the most fantastic of all.
I am lucky , I can see so much in nature, I know that the fungi are past masters at dowsing, that the trees use this to their advantage, that moles are super dowsers, all this lends me open to the sceptics, but they don't realise the beauty around them.
1.618, .618, fibonacci is my hero, 0,1,1,2.3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89 and on into infinity( think of these measurements when dowsing, YOU are made to them.
Kevin

[stonecarver]

Hey guys,

maybe you should start a new topic ??? i notice that several subjects have gravitated to posts about dowsing, ley lines and the like... you obviously know a fair bit about it as practitioners, so why not start a new post aimed directly at this topic?

By the way, there aren't Any snakes carved on the Neolithic carved stone balls... in fact, the great majority of them don't have Any secondary decoration at all... just to clarify that point for the benefit of others.

Cheers!   Stonecarver  

[123hopp]

Sorry, Stonecarver. Well, my theory is that megalith builders or those, who positioned your stone balls in a "centre", didn`t need any external tools. Say, we are talking here about how to locate with our "modern" means a place for to set down a new stone ball!? Ancestors woudn`t discuss it nor look for any location helping tool; they`d only do this right away!?

[stonecarver]

Hi 123Hopp,

i appreciate you guys were following a line of dicussion... and I understand the relevance... i was just noting that there was so much information being exchanged about dowsing and human extra-sensory perception - in relation to prehistoric monuments, objects and designs, that i thought it might be good if you started a discussion focussing on this interesting topic.

The carved stone balls were not, alas 'positioned'... almost without exception they are found as stray finds during agricultural activity (ploughing)... and one of the problems facing archaeologists is exactly that - they are not found in context with structures (stone circles, mounds, buildings, cairns, burial deposits etc)... they aren't associated with prehistoric activity. One possible reason for this which Is mentioned in the relevant literature, is that they may have been missile weapons (bolas, thrown or launched missiles), and the reason so many are found as stray finds is that they were lost in vegetation after being thrown at a target.

I have considered their use as missile weapons and have shown that they function well in that role. During the period they were made, there was a type of animal called an Aurochs, a huge type of cattle now extinct... and it might take a heavy missile to bring them down... and as cattle were one of the mainstays of the Neolithic diet, perhaps great emphasis was placed on the Aurochs (it being the largest type of wild cattle extant at that time)... and therefore, weapons designed for hunting them might have been afforded special status in a society which revered cattle... and that might account for some of the designs seen on those examples of carved stone balls which have secondary decoration.

It's just a theory... and simply an avenue of enquiry for my ongoing research into carved stone balls (i'm exploring many others).

I'll try and post some photos of me using carved stone balls as bolas for everyone to have a look at...

[123hopp]

Ha, Stonecarver. I`ve started from a supposition that your stone balls coincide with my Swedish stone "globes", placed over or around tumuli said to be graves of legendary local rulers. Those tumuli were located at local early-medieval kingly manors and served as places for judging local lawsuits, too. (c.f. "feld gericht" of South German tradition)
Sorry for my misunderstanding

[stonecarver]

Hi,

ahh ok. I wasn't aware of the actual use of the 'globes' from Sweden - but that is really interesting... because i Had noticed the similarities between the objects themselves. Could you post more information, book titles, websites or articles which describe the Swedish 'globes' in more detail? Or maybe you could post some pictures? That would be really helpful.

Cheers!

Stonecarver

[123hopp]

But I don`t mean precisely neolithic stone balls, Stonecarver. It`s the same kind of misunderstanding as in my discussions with archeologists in Greece. ( E.g. twins Molionidae of Elis could not represent analogous mythical behavioural pattern as twins Dioscuri of Sparta) So; I am interested in ideas connected to stone balls over thousands of years, down to the Age of "Enlightment" (broad and shallow!?). Most representative stone "globe" I`ve meant is Inglinge- or Ingelstastenen. It`s placed on the top of the tumulus called Inglinge Hög, nearby Ingelstad(Växjö), Småland. And there`s a romboidal menhir on the top dominating the whole.
If you want to deepen this information, try to reach:

Riksantikvarieämbetet, Storgatan 41, Box 5405, 114 84 Stockholm
tel. 08-519 180 00
fax 08- 660 72 84
8.00 - 16.45
Riksantikvarie Inger Liliequist
Överantikvarie Per-Magnus Nilsson
www.raa.se

I haven`t discussed other stone "globes" of mine with those people. As you well know, dowsing methods of establishing a meaning or connection between findings are not accepted by the archaeological establishment.

[123hopp]

To see some pictures, go to :

www.martinssons-bilder.com/bildgalleri/index_nav.asp?show=199&bild=1

I don`t know these people; they have simply their amateur photos on the Net. (=2 and =5 are good, too). Official agencies gives sh.. into
those unprofitable little remnants!?

And still, I`ll scan drawings of Erik Dahlberg (Svecia Antiqua et Hodierna; XVII c.)representing Inglingehög and send them to you, Stonecarver. On some other representations there is a cross on the upper surface of the "globe". Maybe it has been christianized some time around XI c. (!?)

[stonecarver]

Excellent links, thanks 123Hopp...

I have a black and white photo of one of these 'globes'... and i have to say that it really does have some morphological similarities with, and decorative similarities with the british Neolithic carved stone balls... just like the one in your link.

The difference is only in size, the Neolithic carved stone balls have an average diameter of just 70mm.

All the same, they are really interesting objects - thanks for a couple of great posts... and i will have to return to Sweden to have a closer look at the Swedish carved stones... maybe this summer!

Thanks!    =)

[kevin.b]

123hopp, your stone balls with the cross on, I feel a similer mistake has been made with many ancient artifacts.
Everyone associates the cross with christianity, and assigns artifacts to a date later than the beginnings of christianity.
The cross represents exactly what is detectable by dowsing, the strongest signal is east/west, and north/south.
these are the easiest to detect because they are the main part of a matrix system of detectable lines.
our norman churchs are aligned to this, though they won't admit this.
It is why I am so interested in old sites of barrows etc, they were positioned on the precise crossing point of these two lines in particular, many are aligned to other angles, these other angles align to other luner bodies and certain points of the suns position at different times of the year, this is why I can find these alignments at any time day/night, whenever, it is so easy, it will have been easy for ancient man, and they will have built their constructions to align with whatever was important to them ?
if I find a church that doesn't align I get all excited, but they are usually victorian re-builds or the same, and the ability to detect these lines must have gone out of fashion, or signifigance ?
Kevin