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[severus]

concerning the construction of stone rings, (few if any were circular). how many of the people who constructed their local stone ring actually seen another one in another part of the country. travel was restricted and suggested that only those associated with trade, politics or religion regularly travelled and even then only over fairly short distances.
for example, how many of the people tho built Long Meg and her Daughters actually saw Stone henge. how many people who built the recumbant stone circles of North East Scotland ever visited the timber circles of Cairnpapple or Carsie Mains in perthshire. was construction design a matter of personal fashion, was placement according to a national/global presecription or according to local demands, needs and availability of land.

[kevin.b]

Severus,
             Every so called circle I visit, and thats quite a number now, are all sited at and built to a detectable system of straight lines.
I am not writing this down for any other reason other than to state what I find, and many others do as well.
These lines I detect , if you can, are 1 inch wide, upon them flows what I have good reason and understanding to believe is plasma.
This flow is two directional, one on top of the other, these lines that  this  plasma flows on are constant , dont move at all, and as best as I can work out, are aligned to our nearest star systems, the east/west alignment seemingly the most powerfull, the sun..
It is my opinion that all the sites were built to make use of, to manipulate and increase the potential of this plasma flow.
The stones were hand picked for their ability to achieve this, they will have a high content of quartz .
The sites chosen for the so called circles will have been picked for the amount of this plasma available.
Kevin

[stonecarver]

Severus,

that's a Brilliant question !

I would answer it like this.... there are thousands of churches in the British Isles. How many people who attend their local church have actually visited the churches at Roslin near Edinburgh, St Paul's Cathedral, London, St Bega's near Keswick and St Oswald's at Kirkoswald???    

An over-arching architectural phenomenon might mean very different things to different people (and don't lose sight of the fact that stone circles were built and in use over thousands of years), but I think you already understand that Severus, and your post asks a really pertinent question.

[kevin.b]

Severus, I spent about an hour all alone yesterday at the rollright stone so called circle.
I am 56 years old, no hippy , in fact very ordinary, I am very serious about what I detect with two rods in my hands.
This site is measurable to two circles, the centre points of these are 89 inchs apart.
Every 13 inch from these centre points, are circles ( polygons ) they go out from this centre spot for 55 times.
after this the circles are found every 26 inchs.
The lines that create these polygons are 1 inch wide, I can measure this to precision , by way of devices that I hang from my hands( indoors, too hard on grass etc )
There are a countable number of crossing lines at the centre of both of these circles, but they are not just single lines.
Each line consists of nine lines, these are measurable distance apart, and are parallel, and are at varying distance apart, so by practise it now takes me seconds to establish which of these is the centre line of nine.
The result of all these sets of nine lines crossing , is to create patterns that are best visualised in crop circles.
These lines never vary at all, they know of no obsticles or any terrain.
Upon these lines flows something, this is a different kettle of fish, it is malleable, and can be altered in its path.
Most people spend great parts of their lives to trying to align the sites to all maner of luner alignments, I pity them.
Professor Thom is typical, a gifted man, enthusiast, dedicated, but wrong.
He measured what he saw with his eyes, asigned all types of alignments and invented a measure to match what he had laboured to achieve, such a shame.
I can do all this alignment in minutes, it is so easy even a prehistoric neanderthol could do it, they did.
The big question is always WHY.
ANSWER= plasma, and the control of plasma, this is what is flowing along the lines, now through our churchs.
There are two flows on top of each other going in opposite directions, one is the creator, the other is the dissolver.
By controlling especially the lower dissolver flow, and earthing it , where it desired to, but making sure that as much as possible of it definately went to earth (barrows ) they then allowed the immeadiate area around themselves to be flooded by the creator, the sustainer of all life forms.
We should say a big thank you to our ancestors whom are now dust.
Kevin

[Peregrine]

Hi Kevin,

Is it possible for you to present your findings in the form of some sort of diagram?
For instance, a topview of the site with the circles and lines you found imposed on top of this map ?

All best, Peregrine.

[kevin.b]

Perigrine, I wish I could, I am truly neanderthal man, especially where this thing is concerned.
Actually turning this on and reaching this stage of been able to write on it, is amazing to me.
I realise that a visual diagram , would say far more than words ever will, hopefully soon I will crack a drawing system.
My brother keeps giving me software and shows me, but as soon s he leaves, it all looks like chinese again to me.
I have a problem reading and writing, the keyboard helps a lot, once I learn how to do something though, there is no problem.
I think you will find a lot of dowsers are in a similer situation, perhaps the dowsing ability raises to compensate for the lack of writing ability ?
May explain why little is recorded about dowsing, but I recognise the visual drawings left behind.
This is the same with gypsy travellers and canal boat people, they are good at art and practical things, but can't read or write, they have been left behind by the written word, but they have other talents ?
Kevin

[123hopp]

Wait a minute; guys. In my dowsing style, I`m living mostly with broad paths not lines. A core of yin or yang zone, which has still meaning for humans, has in my system about 60 metres in breadth. And breadth of the whole yin- or yang- dominated zone is around 600 m. They are spaced apart by a "mixed" zone, where yin and yang are more or less in an equilibrium. Once every 6 km, yang zone has 3 times thicker core and is bordered by two yin-zones with two times thicker cores. I`m talking here only about one of 8 directions (two crosses or nets), but accidentally 16 directions (four crosses or nets) are needed to be considered, when talking about a special place.

How do a "special" place comes into living within those more or less regularly interwoven paths!? There are many sources of them. Firstly, a yang path - coming into contact with a yin path, undergoes several distortions. It`s "flattened" (forced back) and forms several vortexes in those four quarters of a crossing. But a thinner yang path (closer to Kevin`s 1 inch) can penetrate a yin zone (I mean a broader path) forming a point of "penetration", from which several thinner yin- lines radiate around. As I`ve seen in Greece, chapels of St.George piercing a dragon were frequently placed straddling such yang- "lance". And those thinner radiating lines were sometimes personified as helping spiritual entities (daughter-nymphs). If you encounter a chapel of 7 she-helpers, you`ll know, what to think about them.

But much more basic irregularities in the net occur, where major yin-zones of those 2 or 4 nets coincide. A hero with a vulnerable heel, leg-calf or thigh should take care in those places. But if you want to marry an underground princess and bring fertility home to your community, go and dive in!! You see, Peregrine; every dowser has his own system of connotations and pays attention to different aspects of the nets. Following a drawing made by others can hamper your personal sensibility, which is to be built up under confrontations with "living" special places.

But of course; why not start with a hypothetical drawing. Then you`ll amend it along with results of your own experiments and after some three discarded hypotheses you`ll get at your own personal vision.

[kevin.b]

123hopp, wonderfull descriptions of what you find, thank you.
I have another interest , which is crop circles, I find them and ancient sites are closely related.
On a forum i regurally post on is another dowser, by communicating with him, it is becoming clear that he has sort of locked onto one form of signal available, because he has been involved for many years with crop circles, he has naturally hunted the signal that he has found responsible for the creation of the circles in crops.
I can switch about many signals, and can clearly identify all the different ones.
I believe this other dowser has concentrated on the lower flow of plasma, the one I believe is the dissolver of deceased and decaying life forms.
As the crop reachs its end, is when most crop circles appear, this is because the lower flow is most strong, coupled to it coinciding with drier less water around, and I consider this plasma acts in a symbiotic way with water to earth, therefore it seeks alternate routes to earth, the root systems of the crop.
In essence we are all talking about the same thing, but have developed a way of calculating it.
I hear many dowsers explain what they find, and how they calculate and explain it, I reognise the parts they are best at tracking, some can track the underground water flows etc, etc , etc.
For some reason ?, I can switch around at will, I can dowse at speed, switching without hardly thinking, calculating all the time, and basically using my hunting ability to their best, I have all my life been a really good angler, and now I hunt antiques, and make my living at this, I am good.
There is a complete matrix system around this planet, it is primerilly aligned to the poles and east/west, forming a FIELD, it has many , many more alignments, Glastonbury tor is my personal champion with over 50 lines crossing in one point, awesome?
All these lines can be aligned to the sun, moon and other luner bodies, at various maximums of their movements in this huge clockwork system, that is why so many ancient sites align to these.
Tutankhamen, was in my opinion in touch with the ying and yang flows of yours 123hopp, look at his headdress or mask, two serpents, one the viper(death) the other a bird creature, the egg (life), in all the pyramid drawings, I recognise the dowser, especially the tau cross and similer, and above all, the ultimate, GOLD, it is the ultimate of creation, it is the ultimate dowsing aid.
Kevin

[123hopp]

We`ve entered the dowsing area from another directions, Kevin. But, as you say, there`s always a part of our experiences, which coincides. Your thin 1 inch lines I`ve observed last year at one Gothic cemetery (Odry; II c. BCE)) with many stone circles down in Pommern (Poland). Aside 5 stone circles, with layouts comprising nearly equal breadths of yin- and yang-  regional paths (my name for more than 10 m wide ones), coming from different directions, there was an "entrance to Hades", coinciding with a "hellish" little pond. On top of this I`ve discerned a little "cage" made of those thin lines of yours, spreading over ca 10 metres`diameter. It was a small labyrinth, overgrown with grass and barely visible. Stones were very small and paths so narrow that they were surely not meant to tread along. There was an old lady sitting in the "cage", who with the help of Chinese bagua compass traced a place, which should help for her sick pelvis.

I`m not analyzing such places with mathematical minuteness, rather paying attention to overall structure and connections with broader environment, e.g. "holy mountains", which are spread at distances of ca 60 km all over the land.(As if coming down from the ley concept to a little lower level) Otherwise, minute details would overcome me and I couldn`t control the inflow of information. Thus, I consider the problem of putting forth a Question to a Place as a crucial one.  

And here we are back at patterns discussed previously with Peregrine. Why there are several places in Celtic lands, which are covered alternatively by the Arthur stories!? Were those stories really a pattern used to identify special places in a spiritual landscape!? Last year I`ve found an enigmatic note somewhere that around abbey of Sion in Switzerland there are many places with names coinciding with Arthur`s romances. So; there`s my proposition for Peregrine. Take Arthurian romances back to the eastern border of Brittany, where the Wood of Broceliande is supposed to be found. When you`ve identified some of those legendary places and found megaliths or other
structures coinciding with those stories, I`ll help you further with building up of your personal insights as for dowsing the old legendary places.

[Peregrine]

Hi guys,

I just asked in order to get an impression about the things you find while dowsing.
But thanks all the same for the information on your personal views during your discussions.
Perhaps I should take your advice and try dowsing for myself (never done it before).

All best,  Peregrine.

[123hopp]

OK. I was also perceiving those paths as packages of nine lines. But then I`ve discerned an additional cover, which gave me a feling of a "half-levitation", ha, ha. So, it was 9+2 =11 (a "new beginning" in numerology). Then, I`ve found double paths, so it was : 1+9+1+9+1= 21.
After I`ve started my regional investigations, those paths became as if divided in some other more irregular a way. It`s weird. I`ll go out to check where they`re gone!?
Aha; and Peregrine is not ready yet for an Arthurian Quest!?

[123hopp]

OK, just joking, Peregrine. But as you see from our discussion, it`s a kind of a quest and being humble, ready for revision of your opinion
any time, and setting a proper attitude for yourself is of prime importance. Or in other words;  answer from this dowsable invisible template - both for megalith structures and legends, depends heavily on the question you are formulating for yourself.

[123hopp]

P.S. to Kevin
This humorous "half-levitation" of mine is known as occuring at some standing stones. It`s a feeling like your one leg is suddenly being pulled up or you`re just as if falling on your back. So; in the context of uncomplicated linear series this feeling is slightly different. Imagine for yourself a pipeline of a large diameter. When crossing it, you are as if first falling on your back against a concave wall of a pipe. And then, when ending the 9-package, you are as if falling forward against identical concave pipewall. One step forward and this feeling disappears.

[123hopp]

And still my comment on 50-lines`crossing at Glastonbury. I`ve found those elliptoic "cages", as if emanating from a point, being equivalents to my older concept of interwoven "stars" or Kevin`s synchronized cog-wheels. But if we take into consideration that they are of differentiated sizes (c.f. my "cage" of 10 m diameter at Odry), a problem emerges.

To be honest to oneself, a dowser should go around a central point in a widening spiral. At distances of ca 20-30 m (!?) along a diameter (as for Glastonbury), he should repeat his counting. Only then a dowser can see, how many of the lines in this ellipsoid have gone upwards and back to the centerpoint. Ideally, he could establish in this way the existence of long-distance paths radiating out to other major centres from such a "cage" or cog-wheel. And then you are following those major paths across mountains and sees... Yes, it`s a Quest.

But back to the drawing of dowsable lines in a typical stone circle, requested by Peregrine. From my practice comes out that they were constructed against backgrounds of any "net" fragments of a circular symmetry.  I agree with Kevin, when he says - first find an old church and try to dowse its centerline. I would add, - then try to feel the difference between yin and yang side of this centerline. You know; in medieval churches women were frequently seated at the left side while men at the rightside of the centerline. In this way they were maybe reassured in their respective roles!?

[kevin.b]

123hopp, very interesting post.
For me to count the rings outward at Glastonbury  ,I will have a problem, I actually tried to follow the spiral path around this hill and nearly killed myself, it is steep, in the exreme.
There is another way, it requires no presence at the spot.
At every spot where many lines cross, circles ( polygons, of unequal sides ) will occur at every 13 inch.
this will repeat for 55 times outwards, then they will occur every 26 inch.
Due to the lines that make the polygons carrying on and touching   each of these polygons as they travel along, the force that travels on the lines can take a FAIR curve type track into the centre spot, and out from the centre spot ( see the golden ratio curve, 1.618 )( and archeamedies )
Every measurement will be to the fibonacci sequence.
Your mention of churchs , and male and female, where the lines are travelling along between circles,When they go over underground water ( church, long barrow ) they form spirals either side of the line ( visualise fleur de lie ) the centre spot of the spiral formed will be where the wooden ( high K dialetic material ) pew back will be fixed, there are crossing flows across to adjoining lines either side of church central line in between these spiral spots, another high K dialectric material will be sited on these crossing over flows, PEOPLE.
One side of the central line ,the spirals are clockwise, the other side they are anti-clockwise, or if you prefer MALE & FEMALE.
Out side of the church, will be crossing points of many lines ( usually these are still evident as so called preachers crosses, on the south side of the church, they will normally have polygonal bases to them, they would ) there will in fact be four such points, and the circles they produce were squared to form the base layout of the church by very clever dowsers, I am a very clever dowser, very very clever.
The resultant floor plan , gives you perfect sacred space geometry, then you need to raise the walls to give perfect octaves.
So when you enter a church, you see perfection, you hear perfection, you feel perfection, GOT YOU, CHRISTIAN, DO AS YOU ARE TOLD, PAY YOUR TAXES, OR ELSE, very clever Normans, very very clever.
Abbot Suger, tres bien, tres bien.
Kevin