I just saw on the Discovery Channel's Daily Planet that Amateur archaeologist Semir Osmanagic recently announced that he has uncovered proof that a four-sided hill in the town of Visoko, Bosnia, is an ancient manmade structure.
Web searches has found more info on it but you can draw your own conclusions.
http://www.bosnianpy...xcavations.html
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The First European Pyramid?
Started by crag_dolomite, 27-Apr-2006 02:31
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Posted 27 April 2006 - 20:56
can monte d'accoddi sigurrat in sardinia be considered the oldest pyramid in europe?
i think this dates to circa 3500-4500 bc.
having visited the site it clearly resembles a pyramid, albeit with a standing stone, dolmen and an ompholos!
i think this dates to circa 3500-4500 bc.
having visited the site it clearly resembles a pyramid, albeit with a standing stone, dolmen and an ompholos!
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Posted 28 April 2006 - 19:06
Below is an image of the Monte d'Accoddi site:
It looks like a pyramid, and was discovered back in 1952.
There is also a 360-degree panoramic movie available.
It looks like a pyramid, and was discovered back in 1952.
There is also a 360-degree panoramic movie available.
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Posted 28 April 2006 - 21:50
Diago, fabulous link,
the giants tombs are stunning, and show something very clear to me as a dowser.
It may seem insignifegent to others but to me , the hole at the bottom of the central large stone says everything.
I detect with my little rods, two flows of plasma, they run on top of each other and travel in opposite directions.
The bottom one tends to be only on average aprox 12 to 15 inches above ground level, this is the dangerous one, many names have been given to this, the most common are serpant, dragon etc.
The ether or plasma is both the creator of all, and the taker of all.
By building these constructions they were able to send into the chamber only the lower destroyer serpant, inside these constructions, typically west kennet in this country, I detect a series of spirals inside them, this is where the lower flow earths thro water, into the earth, the large stones across the frontage are to turn to the left, right and over the top of the barrow the upper flow, and to then flood the surrounding area and people in the upper life enriching plasma flow.
They would have temporarilly have kept the remains of the deceased in these constructions to allow the lower flow to take the deceased life force back into the mother earth.
On a change of polarity that occurs every month, caused by the moon effecting our earths gravity system, they would at that precise moment have brought out the deceased remains for burial elsewhere.
Kevin , chuffed with those pictures , thanks.
the giants tombs are stunning, and show something very clear to me as a dowser.
It may seem insignifegent to others but to me , the hole at the bottom of the central large stone says everything.
I detect with my little rods, two flows of plasma, they run on top of each other and travel in opposite directions.
The bottom one tends to be only on average aprox 12 to 15 inches above ground level, this is the dangerous one, many names have been given to this, the most common are serpant, dragon etc.
The ether or plasma is both the creator of all, and the taker of all.
By building these constructions they were able to send into the chamber only the lower destroyer serpant, inside these constructions, typically west kennet in this country, I detect a series of spirals inside them, this is where the lower flow earths thro water, into the earth, the large stones across the frontage are to turn to the left, right and over the top of the barrow the upper flow, and to then flood the surrounding area and people in the upper life enriching plasma flow.
They would have temporarilly have kept the remains of the deceased in these constructions to allow the lower flow to take the deceased life force back into the mother earth.
On a change of polarity that occurs every month, caused by the moon effecting our earths gravity system, they would at that precise moment have brought out the deceased remains for burial elsewhere.
Kevin , chuffed with those pictures , thanks.
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Posted 30 April 2006 - 17:54
The websites all show a feature which does, admittedly, appear to be pyramid-like. However, not a single photograph in the websites depict anything which could not be explained as a geological feature, or an archaeological find relating to the other archaeology of the area... and nothing in fact to do with the alleged 'pyramid builders'.
The following letter, published in The Times (UK broadsheet newspaper) explains this far more eloquently than i am able, so i have reproduced it here in full. Professor Harding has spent a lifetime working on the prehistoric cultures of Europe (his Book, 'European Societies in the Bronze Age' is the best source of information on the prehistory of Europe), and he is possibly the world authority on this subject.
Our intrepid archaeologist from Bosnia however, appears to have watched one too many Indiana Jones movies, and i don't recall ever seeing any academic papers he has written in any of the major archaeological journals.
Letters to the Editor
The Times
April 25, 2006
Bosnia's rich heritage
Sir,
Stories about hidden pyramids in deepest Bosnia being investigated by “hobby archaeologists” (“Indiana Jones of the Balkans”, April 15), may appeal to those for whom the dry facts of archaeology hold little attraction, but they also do little to assist the cause of heritage protection in that beautiful but unlucky country.
Professional archaeologists in the former Yugoslavia, and in international organisations such as the European Association of Archaeologists, have known about these claims for some time, and various “scientific” reports are available in the public domain.
In most countries of Europe those with wacky theories about “hidden mysteries” on presumed archaeological sites are free to propound them but not to undertake excavation, which by its very nature destroys much of what it uncovers; let alone excavation by those unqualified in terms of training and experience.
According to your report there are indeed archaeological sites on the hill in question — Illyrian (Iron Age), Roman and Medieval; yet the work underway or planned makes no mention of what steps will be taken to safeguard them, and other potential sites as yet undiscovered, from inappropriate earthmoving or other investigations.
The situation of professional heritage management in Bosnia-Herzegovina is, since the Bosnian war, in a poor state, with a tiny number of people trying to do what they can to protect their rich heritage from looting and unmonitored or unauthorised development. It adds insult to injury when rich outsiders can come in and spend large sums pursuing their absurd theories (the construction of a colossal pyramid so large that it dwarfs even those of Egypt or Mesoamerica? 12,000 years ago?), in ways that most other countries would never countenance, instead of devoting their cash to the preservation of the endangered genuine sites and monuments in which Bosnia-Herzegovina abounds.
PROFESSOR ANTHONY HARDING
President, European Association of Archaeologists
Perhaps the best people to be investigating the features the chap in Bosnia thinks are from some mysterious and previously unrecorded pyramid-building 'Lost society' might be geologists from a reputed academic faculty - they may be able to tell us straight away whether these features are natural or not.
The following letter, published in The Times (UK broadsheet newspaper) explains this far more eloquently than i am able, so i have reproduced it here in full. Professor Harding has spent a lifetime working on the prehistoric cultures of Europe (his Book, 'European Societies in the Bronze Age' is the best source of information on the prehistory of Europe), and he is possibly the world authority on this subject.
Our intrepid archaeologist from Bosnia however, appears to have watched one too many Indiana Jones movies, and i don't recall ever seeing any academic papers he has written in any of the major archaeological journals.
Letters to the Editor
The Times
April 25, 2006
Bosnia's rich heritage
Sir,
Stories about hidden pyramids in deepest Bosnia being investigated by “hobby archaeologists” (“Indiana Jones of the Balkans”, April 15), may appeal to those for whom the dry facts of archaeology hold little attraction, but they also do little to assist the cause of heritage protection in that beautiful but unlucky country.
Professional archaeologists in the former Yugoslavia, and in international organisations such as the European Association of Archaeologists, have known about these claims for some time, and various “scientific” reports are available in the public domain.
In most countries of Europe those with wacky theories about “hidden mysteries” on presumed archaeological sites are free to propound them but not to undertake excavation, which by its very nature destroys much of what it uncovers; let alone excavation by those unqualified in terms of training and experience.
According to your report there are indeed archaeological sites on the hill in question — Illyrian (Iron Age), Roman and Medieval; yet the work underway or planned makes no mention of what steps will be taken to safeguard them, and other potential sites as yet undiscovered, from inappropriate earthmoving or other investigations.
The situation of professional heritage management in Bosnia-Herzegovina is, since the Bosnian war, in a poor state, with a tiny number of people trying to do what they can to protect their rich heritage from looting and unmonitored or unauthorised development. It adds insult to injury when rich outsiders can come in and spend large sums pursuing their absurd theories (the construction of a colossal pyramid so large that it dwarfs even those of Egypt or Mesoamerica? 12,000 years ago?), in ways that most other countries would never countenance, instead of devoting their cash to the preservation of the endangered genuine sites and monuments in which Bosnia-Herzegovina abounds.
PROFESSOR ANTHONY HARDING
President, European Association of Archaeologists
Perhaps the best people to be investigating the features the chap in Bosnia thinks are from some mysterious and previously unrecorded pyramid-building 'Lost society' might be geologists from a reputed academic faculty - they may be able to tell us straight away whether these features are natural or not.
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Posted 30 April 2006 - 21:10
Stonecarver, how do?, don't want to sound too unsympathetic, but experts?
What the hell do they know, diddly squat.
They are well paid to keep things as they appear.
Good for them, that are digging this hill up, the so called archeologists, would scrape about and find a roman coin and declare it roman, they know noffink.
The governments and religious bodies don't want the boat rocked, they desire power, power over the masses.
Time is up for that game, and it's up to the commited enthusiasts, the ones that really know, to forge forward and show the truth, this internet is the way, all you would have had in the past is a book, written by prof some dick or other.
Kevin, going off on one a bit?
What the hell do they know, diddly squat.
They are well paid to keep things as they appear.
Good for them, that are digging this hill up, the so called archeologists, would scrape about and find a roman coin and declare it roman, they know noffink.
The governments and religious bodies don't want the boat rocked, they desire power, power over the masses.
Time is up for that game, and it's up to the commited enthusiasts, the ones that really know, to forge forward and show the truth, this internet is the way, all you would have had in the past is a book, written by prof some dick or other.
Kevin, going off on one a bit?
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Posted 1 May 2006 - 09:40
All you would have in the past is a book???
Archaeologists are paid to keep things as they appear???
What on earth have governments got to do with it? If there was a pyramid in Europe they'd all be pleased as punch.
Mind you, given your robust interpretation of the English language, i can see why You might avoid books...
Going off on one a bit?? You are a master of understatement...
Archaeologists are paid to keep things as they appear???
What on earth have governments got to do with it? If there was a pyramid in Europe they'd all be pleased as punch.
Mind you, given your robust interpretation of the English language, i can see why You might avoid books...
Going off on one a bit?? You are a master of understatement...
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Posted 1 May 2006 - 15:45
Hi all,
With regard to the activities in Bosnia, I would like to say the following :
There has always been a great controversy between the established orthodox archaeologists and the so-called amateurs/new thinkers.
The debate about who is right and who is wrong goes on and on and this is a great pity.
A lot can be learned from each other and if differences can be put aside, I'm sure there is more than enough common ground from which can be worked (together).
All that is needed here i.m.o. is trust in each other and mutual respect.
Only then, significant steps forward can be made.
This alleged/presumed pyramid in Bosnia presents us with an unique opportunity to set differences aside, combine our strengths and point our energies to a common goal.
Of course, the endangered genuine sites and monuments in the area must be protected at all cost.
Of course, the excavations must be carried out by people who are qualified in terms of training and experience.
Of course, suspected hidden agendas have to be brought to light.
But most important of all : listen to each other's reasons to excavate.
By all means, excavate in a proper and professional manner and let your findings/results speak for themselves.
In order to do so, it is not enough by far to write a letter to The Times, but as an important body (European Association of Archaeologists), demand active participation and actively support the local professional heritage management !
Again, here lies an unique opportunity and only by working together, you can show us all what you are made of.
Doing so you all will earn our deepest respect and the fruits of your combined labours may surprise us in no small measure.
After all, Trust, Respect and Cooperation are the stuff that pyramids are made of.
All best, Peregrine.
With regard to the activities in Bosnia, I would like to say the following :
There has always been a great controversy between the established orthodox archaeologists and the so-called amateurs/new thinkers.
The debate about who is right and who is wrong goes on and on and this is a great pity.
A lot can be learned from each other and if differences can be put aside, I'm sure there is more than enough common ground from which can be worked (together).
All that is needed here i.m.o. is trust in each other and mutual respect.
Only then, significant steps forward can be made.
This alleged/presumed pyramid in Bosnia presents us with an unique opportunity to set differences aside, combine our strengths and point our energies to a common goal.
Of course, the endangered genuine sites and monuments in the area must be protected at all cost.
Of course, the excavations must be carried out by people who are qualified in terms of training and experience.
Of course, suspected hidden agendas have to be brought to light.
But most important of all : listen to each other's reasons to excavate.
By all means, excavate in a proper and professional manner and let your findings/results speak for themselves.
In order to do so, it is not enough by far to write a letter to The Times, but as an important body (European Association of Archaeologists), demand active participation and actively support the local professional heritage management !
Again, here lies an unique opportunity and only by working together, you can show us all what you are made of.
Doing so you all will earn our deepest respect and the fruits of your combined labours may surprise us in no small measure.
After all, Trust, Respect and Cooperation are the stuff that pyramids are made of.
All best, Peregrine.
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Posted 1 May 2006 - 20:13
Well said. If there IS going to be excavation anywhere it has to be done by trained professionals. I for one, would Love there to be Pyramids in Europe (and was excited at the prospect when i first heard about it). But when i saw the photos and who was running the operation my heart sank.
Sadly however, i think that we are looking at pseudomorphs - something that LOOKS like it might be something else. Nothing so far depicted on any site is evidence for these things being man-made. I stuidied geology at college and have been an amateur geologist for years, and the stuff they have unearthed (the supposed side of the pyramid) look very like natural features i have seen elsewhere (USA, North Africa, Europe).
Yes the hill looks pyramidal in form... the moon looks like a plate, but i know it isn't.
What is a shame is that people who are completely untrained as archaeologists jump to conclusions on the flimsiest of evidence ("if it looks like, it must be").
Hopefully, soon a qualified geologist from a reputable company or university will have the opportunity to have a look first hand.
Sadly however, i think that we are looking at pseudomorphs - something that LOOKS like it might be something else. Nothing so far depicted on any site is evidence for these things being man-made. I stuidied geology at college and have been an amateur geologist for years, and the stuff they have unearthed (the supposed side of the pyramid) look very like natural features i have seen elsewhere (USA, North Africa, Europe).
Yes the hill looks pyramidal in form... the moon looks like a plate, but i know it isn't.
What is a shame is that people who are completely untrained as archaeologists jump to conclusions on the flimsiest of evidence ("if it looks like, it must be").
Hopefully, soon a qualified geologist from a reputable company or university will have the opportunity to have a look first hand.
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Posted 1 May 2006 - 23:19
Sorry, I was going off on one allright.
Bit frustrated at the mo., I want to share what I am finding, but that is not easy.
Perigrine, you are spending too much time working out your mazes, it is giving you a great deal of wisdom.
I will think of you as budda perigrine, at this rate, wise words my friend, and heard.
Kevin
Bit frustrated at the mo., I want to share what I am finding, but that is not easy.
Perigrine, you are spending too much time working out your mazes, it is giving you a great deal of wisdom.
I will think of you as budda perigrine, at this rate, wise words my friend, and heard.
Kevin
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Posted 2 May 2006 - 08:52
I think we are all in agreement - That we HOPE these turn out to be Pyramids. I WANT them to be man-made pyramids. It just seems that to me, given the funding available (the organiser has put US $100,000 into the project allegedly), that a properly trained and validated (ie an impartial and qualified) geologist has not been hired to look at the site ( or if they Have, they are keeping very quiet about the results) - and let's face it, there are plenty of geologists in Europe... surely they could have got one by now to check and state unequivocally whether they are geological features or not....
Sorry if i 'bit' Kevin B. i am just frustrated that people are spending so much time and money advertising these things as man made when it would take a few hundred pounds and a few days to state whether they are man-made or not.... that all makes me very suspicious. Thanks for taking the time to think about it, and for being gracious enough to post a reply.
Sorry if i 'bit' Kevin B. i am just frustrated that people are spending so much time and money advertising these things as man made when it would take a few hundred pounds and a few days to state whether they are man-made or not.... that all makes me very suspicious. Thanks for taking the time to think about it, and for being gracious enough to post a reply.
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Posted 3 May 2006 - 21:50
stonecarver, on 2 May 2006, 8:52, said:
i am just frustrated that people are spending so much time and money advertising these things as man made when it would take a few hundred pounds and a few days to state whether they are man-made or not.... that all makes me very suspicious.
Is this true? Would it really take only a few days for a geologist to find out? It seems strange--surely one would have to actually dig to be sure?
In any case, I guess we all find out the truth soon enough.
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Posted 4 May 2006 - 08:32
There are photographs posted on the relevant sites which allegedly show features which are supposedly man-made and which are claimed to be evidence that the 'pyramid' is not a geological feature - ergo, they have ALREADY DUG ENOUGH for a geologist to be able to make that assessment.
They are claiming to have found large blocks which are man made - so LET A GEOLOGIST LOOK AT THEM? why aren't they doing that? It could be done right now. They don't WANT an independant accredited geologist to make a report... because the hill is a probably a pseudomorph.
They are claiming to have found large blocks which are man made - so LET A GEOLOGIST LOOK AT THEM? why aren't they doing that? It could be done right now. They don't WANT an independant accredited geologist to make a report... because the hill is a probably a pseudomorph.
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Posted 4 May 2006 - 20:11
It's a good point, they should be aiming to discover the truth of the matter, not to find what they want to see, and of course that means hiring a geologist at the very least. True, true.
Nevertheless I can't help but hope (like all of us, as you pointed out stonecarver) that it really is a pyramid...
Nevertheless I can't help but hope (like all of us, as you pointed out stonecarver) that it really is a pyramid...
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