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[Peregrine]

Hi all,

Does anyone know what happened to this topic?
It seems to have been removed from this forum.
Last seen yesterday, 10-05.

Peregrine.

[Jimit]

Yes. Pete G was p****d off by someone hijacking the original topic so he removed it.  

Jim.

[kevin.b]

jimit, how was the subject hijacked ?
Kevin

[GordonP]

I expected a lot more interest in this topic, I think it's a great idea. I've been in touch with Bluestone ltd and if things go to plan they are hoping to erect some of the stones by hand, we should be able to learn a great deal about moving and erecting large megaliths.

[kevin.b]

GordonP, I too thought it is a wonderfull idea, I did ask for safety reasons if considerations have been taken into account of any build up of forces , that may occur at them and was replied by "yes to all" which was good to hear because in this safety crazy world unless you cover your back against all likely or unlikely occurances you can end up in court been sued for millions, and I was simply pointing this out.
As nobody knows why or can offer an explanation of why the origonal SH was built, safety should be the first consideration ?
Kevin

[Colleen CA]

I think there will be a lot of interest in this topic. I find that no one ever responds to my postings either. How many people actually follow this forum?
I would love to see this happen, but is there really any evidence that Stonehenge was ever completed?
Kudos to these folks, it's quite a major undertaking.
There is a replica of Stonehenge complete in Washington state just across the Columbia river from Portland Oregon that I have yet to visit, but plan to. It is privately owned.

StoneTramp

[Colleen CA]

Just located the website for the Maryhill Museum in Washington where the Stonehenge replica is. It is a really nice website. The museum and grounds have some great American history around it. The replica was built as a war memorial! Scroll down to the Maryhill Stonehenge heading.

http://www.maryhillm.../about.htm#ston

StoneTramp

[Peregrine]

Hi all,

I think it is a great idea to build a replica of Stonehenge for several reasons :

In order to start from scratch and build a megalithic structure like Stonehenge, a number of aspects should be taken into consideration.
Perhaps these are the same aspects that the original designers/builders had to struggle with and a certain insight can be gained during the exercise of building a replica.

First of all, there must have been a good/important reason to build this structure.
At one point though, there must have been consensus to do it, and as to the reasons for this, we can only guess.
If this reason was, let's say, the need or wish to follow the heavenly bodies in the night sky, then the next step would be to decide on how to do this.

A vivid imagination and a great deal of foresight must have been required to design, plan, and build this presumed astronomical instrument (observatory).

Even when a new and better structure (phase) was designed and planned, based on previous phases, total agreement and commitment must have been required with regard to it's form, scale, orientation, the selection of materials, resources, manpower, etc..
No small thing i.m.o., even in our modern time.

If the design of Stonehenge was indeed that of an astronomical observatory, a solid point of reference would have been indispensible.
The choice of the moment of sunrise on the morning of the summer solstice is such a point of reference for it is a fixed point in our time/space continuum.
Based on this fixed point, complicated astronomical calculations can be made.
Once that a complete annual cycle was completed and logged, this first cycle could be used as a database against which every following cycle could be measured and compared.

In order to use the structure as an accurate instrument for an extremely long time, this structure should be robust and rigid and, as it were, solidly anchored in it's location.

I strongly believe that the original Stonehenge was, at one point, all of the above things.
At the basis of this structure lies a deep knowledge, the pursuit of knowledge and/or the expansion or refinement of knowledge.

Therefore I think it is a great idea to build a replica and to experience every step in the process, from the designing to the completion and use.

A lot can be learned here i.m.o., on all aspects.

All best,  Peregrine.  

[kevin.b]

Colleen, Hello,I agree with you about this site been quiet, shame as there are some good people here, up to those that are here to get talking.
Does it matter if we don't all agree ?, surely that helps ?
What is the position of megaliths in sunny California, My main interest is in a subtle energy I find present at them, especially the embankment and ditchs, I am finding an increasing number of these over on your side of the pond.
Kevin

[Peregrine]

Hi Colleen,

Thanks for your postings, they are appreciated.
I've read about this replica of Stonehenge in Washington.
Christopher Chippindale mentions it on page 178 of his work : Stonehenge Complete, revised edition (ISBN 0-500-27750-8).
No details about it's construction are given though, just a photo and a short description.

I've visited the website of the link you gave.
An impressive monument, isn't it, especially because it is dedicated to these victims of war.

I read that Col. Samuel Hill worked under the assumption that the original Stonehenge was a place of ritual sacrifice.
Well, who knows, perhaps at one point it was ?
In the above posting I presume it was an astronomical observatory, but I could be dead wrong there as well, you know.
Perhaps Kevin is right in assuming it might be something to do with ley-lines or telluric emmanations, who knows ?

Best to keep an open mind, he.
Perhaps we drifted so far from our roots, that we cannot even start to imagine any more what the structure of Stonehenge was all about.

All best, Peregrine.  

[stonecarver]

I think the topic may have been removed because of some of the comments i posted about the project. But perhapsthe originator misinterpreted what i was saying - if he had carefully read my mails i had said i thought a reconstruction based on the archaeological evidence was a great idea... i was commenting however, that as presented, the project was going to create be a bit of a chimera because the sequential structural phases were going to be melded together to create something that had never existed. I also pointed out that the costly importation of stones from abroad was rather pointless as we have so much available stone here in the UK and that would be much more authentic.

I thought it was rather a good topic, and provided seven references (including ISBN numbers), and was anticipating an interesting debate...    

Hijack? I don't think so... contributing to the debate? yes...

[belshade]

Members might be interested to know that a "replica" Stonehenge has recently been erected in New Zealand with stones oriented to reflect the Southern sky.
Belshade.

[kevin.b]

http://news.bbc.co.u...ech/4264945.stm
Kevin

[kevin.b]

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/US9.html
Look out for 1.618, they maybe haven't heard of fibonacci, they will need to.
Kevin

[Peregrine]

Hi all,

Thanks Kevin, for the links you gave.

With regards to Stonehenge and ancient symbolism, here something I discovered some time ago and perhaps something to try-out yourself and ponder over this weekend :

Take a sheet of blanc paper (A4 will do) and place it in front of you horizontally.
On the left side of the sheet, draw a circle with a radius of, let's say, 1 inch.
Draw a horizontal line through the centre of this circle to the far right.
On the extreme right side of this line, draw a small dot.

Imagine that the circle is our planet earth, the dot is the sun and the line is the plane in which our planet revolves around the sun.
Now, imagine this situation on the longest day of the year (summer solstice).
In order to visualise this, draw a line through the circle (earth's rotational axis) under an angle of 23,5 degrees which tilts the topside of the circle towards the sun.
With the North- and Southpole marked this way, a next line can be drawn through the circle which represents the equator of our planet.
Let's concentrate on the northern hemisphere.
Now mark the location of Stonehenge with a dot on the left-upper edge of the circle.
This position is 51 degrees, 11 minutes N.

What you have now is the position of Stonehenge on the night, preceding the summersolstice sunrise.(with Stonehenge on the dark side of the planet).

Now, imagine yourself as an observer of this situation from a spot on the far left hand side of the circle, what do you see?

You see our globe, tilted away from you with the sun behind it at the middle of the circle.
The upper rim of the circle, together with the curved line of the equator form a crescent.
Near the upper rim is the dot which marks the location of Stonehenge.
When you turn this globe to the right (as our planet rotates), until this dot reaches the righthand rim of the circle, this marks the moment of midsummer sunrise.
When you keep on rotating the globe, the dot will reappear on the rim on the lefthand side of the circle (midsummer sundown).

Now draw 2 lines, one from the centre of the circle (where the sun is) to and beyond the point of midsummer sunrise, and one from the centre of the circle to and beyond the point of midsummer sundown.
Erase the rim of the circle below the equator.
The result of the exercise is : A perfect depiction of a crescent with V-rods.

Does all this mean that the crescent with V-rods symbolises the summer solstice at Stonehenge ?

Although the symbol seems to fit the notion perfectly, it's hard to say.

What do you think, could there be a relationship between the two ?

All best,  Peregrine.