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#3876 Stone Circles
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on 23 May 2006 - 16:06
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Maybe a key to this discrepance lies in the expression of Brennus - the leader (280 BCE) of the great Celtic army, which ravaged Macedonia and penetrated Greece, at the sight of a first classic Greek temple : - " Are your gods so feeble that you can imprison them in those stone sculptures and silly houses!?" I know, "ethnographic parallels" to an archaeologist are like a red rag to a bull. But if you read Sir Frazer or Malinowski as before, you`d know that what we discussed here - Kevin and me, was something called "MANA". Maybe there`s some deeper meaning in the fact that just in Polynesia, where the "megalithic impulse" survived nearly to this day, the notion of mana-forces is still very vivid in everyday life. I have in my library a book : "Kingship and Sacrifice. Ritual and Society in Ancient Hawaii" - Valerio Valeri, The University of Chicago Press, 1985, ISBN 0-226-84560-5, - where the problem of mana is adressed to in many places.
And if you look closer - comparative study of religions could be also helpful to an archaeologist - it`ll come out that so despised primitive animism of our ancestors is the basis of all most sublimated religions in the world. BTW It`s quite an interesting problem, when and why some parts of the worldwide mana-net underwent a process of personification into local "genius loci" and then alienation into more abstract gods.
Let it be the conclusion of my input into the current discussion for now.
Bye
#3874 The First European Pyramid?
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on 23 May 2006 - 10:34
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There are so many books of different quality on those mystical themes that it`s really needed, I suppose, to get to the "roots" with those themes. So; I did what I could in this direction, without interfering with any "magical" taboos or interests of people making living from "magick", I suppose!?
Mystical unity with what!?...as a source of what!? Here maybe goes the boundary of personal integrity!?. I want only to round up the theme saying that it was probably an everyday unreflected activity those days and who knows - maybe in our days, too. It`s only that it`s hidden so deep in our subconscience!? Well, it`s maybe a price we pay for living in our overcrowded "ants`nests"!?
#3873 Stone Circles
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on 23 May 2006 - 08:19
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Those many spirals inside churches. I admit, I haven`t attached much attention to them, as I`m really not a devotee of any artificial religion. My rule is : - Be a "prophet" for yourself or leave it. (I accept a comparative study of religions, of course) But in context of planning households, I`ve used spirals to enhance mental abilities of the inhabitants, i.e. placing spots for doing schoolchildren`s homework or locating some innovative activities for adults.
I`ve met situations in some places, where people had their beds over such spirals with the result of very unsatisfactory sleep rest. Now, I`m already done with helping people in planning their households. At first I wondered why they were so ambivalent at letting me do this. Then it came out for me that I was really a pawn in a power game between a wife and her husband. Only one of them was really accepting my presence. Then I`ve discovered that it`s the underconscious Fate Game. Mean frequency of your presence at crucial spots in a household determines your life`s way both inside and on the outside...well, more or less.
A turning point in my attitude came really when I`ve got some reclamations because of people divorcing themselves. Apparently, my new layouts, which they had implemented, had used too many spots causing faster circulation in their "auras" and removal of hindrances in this circulation. Thus, blockades they`d "constructed" in their auras after many years of male-female running-in - all of a sudden disappeared. It`s not funny. Well, in this way one only can learn where to stop, to not interfere with others`lives too much.
Now I`ve masted my yacht (Aphrodite 22 (feet); 500 kgs lead in balast; doing well against 16 sekundmeter) - just a skärgård sailing boat and am beginning a new sailing season with my son and grandson, starting this weekend. So; from now on I`ll frequent the Net not so intensely. Bye
#3870 The First European Pyramid?
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on 22 May 2006 - 18:13
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And here`s from the cover of "Ecstasies" :
"Weaving early accounts of witchcraft - trial records, ecclesiastical tracts, folklore and popular iconography - into new and startling patterns, Carlo Ginzburg presents in Ecstasies compelling evidence of a hidden shamanistic culture that flourished across Europe and in England for thousands of years."
And then later :
"Ginzburg here partially rehabilitates an older point of view, that the witch-cult represented a survival of ancient mysteries and the practice of shamanistic ceremonies forbidden by official Catholocism...It is a work of uncompromising scholarship and erudition, but it is not intended for a scholar alone.It is also a rich tapestry of anecdote and incident, a chamber of horrors, curiosity shop and medieval bestiary in one."
Which shamanistic sub-formations of Europe are contained in this book. Here they are:
- medieval followers of Diana, Herodias, Bensozia, Madame Horiente, Perchta and Holda, Queen of the Fairies from Sicily,
- good witches Benandanti from Friuli
- werewolves an witches from Livonia (Estland under Swedish rule)in their own narratives about "combats in ecstasy" for the fertility potential for their respective territories in a year to come,
- Rumanian calusari,
- "zduhaci" of BOSNIA, HERZEGOVINA and Montenegro,
- taltos of Hungary, etc.
Ginzburg analyzes Eurasian conjectures and comes to a conclusion that European witches constitute a branch of Euroasiatic shamanism.
And at the last, he discusses broadly the survivals of shamanic traditions, that could be discerned within Greek mythology.
Now, I suppose, I`ve answered to your all questions, Pema!?
And this "pyramid" in Bosnia. To avoid accusations of hijacking the thread, I should probably maintain that it`s really a kind of a Blocksberg, where Bosnian "zduhaci" used to hold their sabbaths!? But I really don`t know...
#3869 Stone Circles
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on 22 May 2006 - 17:24
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OK. Very, very clever. These words I`ve used once, when analyzing plans of medieval towns vs. castles laying aside, situations of princely manors with respect to their subject adobes and - especially - space layouts of castles, which were built by Teutonic Order and Johannites, when back in Europe from the Holy Land.
But such details call rather for a personal chat at a bottle of retsina; or was it red wine for you!?
#3867 The First European Pyramid?
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on 22 May 2006 - 13:30
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Stiftung Martin-Opitz-Bibliothek
Berliner Platz 5
44 623 Herne
www.martin - opitz -bibliothek.de
They have ambition of gathering all folkloric materials on the "Ostelbisches Raum" of former Deutsches Reich. "Area behind the Elbe river" is the hint at the domination of rural landscapes, which begins to the East of the river. But there`s nothing "ready-to-digest" in their materials. What you need at the very first is perhaps a "filter of meaning". What is this!? Well; say, you are living in this countryside and at some point you are starting to wonder what is "it", what`s lacking around. In the process of looking for "it ", you are getting the next clue.
#3864 Stone Circles
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on 22 May 2006 - 09:15
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To be honest to oneself, a dowser should go around a central point in a widening spiral. At distances of ca 20-30 m (!?) along a diameter (as for Glastonbury), he should repeat his counting. Only then a dowser can see, how many of the lines in this ellipsoid have gone upwards and back to the centerpoint. Ideally, he could establish in this way the existence of long-distance paths radiating out to other major centres from such a "cage" or cog-wheel. And then you are following those major paths across mountains and sees... Yes, it`s a Quest.
But back to the drawing of dowsable lines in a typical stone circle, requested by Peregrine. From my practice comes out that they were constructed against backgrounds of any "net" fragments of a circular symmetry. I agree with Kevin, when he says - first find an old church and try to dowse its centerline. I would add, - then try to feel the difference between yin and yang side of this centerline. You know; in medieval churches women were frequently seated at the left side while men at the rightside of the centerline. In this way they were maybe reassured in their respective roles!?
#3863 Stone Circles
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on 22 May 2006 - 08:38
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This humorous "half-levitation" of mine is known as occuring at some standing stones. It`s a feeling like your one leg is suddenly being pulled up or you`re just as if falling on your back. So; in the context of uncomplicated linear series this feeling is slightly different. Imagine for yourself a pipeline of a large diameter. When crossing it, you are as if first falling on your back against a concave wall of a pipe. And then, when ending the 9-package, you are as if falling forward against identical concave pipewall. One step forward and this feeling disappears.
#3862 Stone Carved Bowls
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on 22 May 2006 - 07:47
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#3853 Stone Circles
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on 21 May 2006 - 18:37
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any time, and setting a proper attitude for yourself is of prime importance. Or in other words; answer from this dowsable invisible template - both for megalith structures and legends, depends heavily on the question you are formulating for yourself.
#3849 Stone Circles
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on 21 May 2006 - 17:05
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After I`ve started my regional investigations, those paths became as if divided in some other more irregular a way. It`s weird. I`ll go out to check where they`re gone!?
Aha; and Peregrine is not ready yet for an Arthurian Quest!?
#3847 Stone Circles
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on 21 May 2006 - 15:44
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I`m not analyzing such places with mathematical minuteness, rather paying attention to overall structure and connections with broader environment, e.g. "holy mountains", which are spread at distances of ca 60 km all over the land.(As if coming down from the ley concept to a little lower level) Otherwise, minute details would overcome me and I couldn`t control the inflow of information. Thus, I consider the problem of putting forth a Question to a Place as a crucial one.
And here we are back at patterns discussed previously with Peregrine. Why there are several places in Celtic lands, which are covered alternatively by the Arthur stories!? Were those stories really a pattern used to identify special places in a spiritual landscape!? Last year I`ve found an enigmatic note somewhere that around abbey of Sion in Switzerland there are many places with names coinciding with Arthur`s romances. So; there`s my proposition for Peregrine. Take Arthurian romances back to the eastern border of Brittany, where the Wood of Broceliande is supposed to be found. When you`ve identified some of those legendary places and found megaliths or other
structures coinciding with those stories, I`ll help you further with building up of your personal insights as for dowsing the old legendary places.
#3845 Stone Circles
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on 21 May 2006 - 14:20
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How do a "special" place comes into living within those more or less regularly interwoven paths!? There are many sources of them. Firstly, a yang path - coming into contact with a yin path, undergoes several distortions. It`s "flattened" (forced back) and forms several vortexes in those four quarters of a crossing. But a thinner yang path (closer to Kevin`s 1 inch) can penetrate a yin zone (I mean a broader path) forming a point of "penetration", from which several thinner yin- lines radiate around. As I`ve seen in Greece, chapels of St.George piercing a dragon were frequently placed straddling such yang- "lance". And those thinner radiating lines were sometimes personified as helping spiritual entities (daughter-nymphs). If you encounter a chapel of 7 she-helpers, you`ll know, what to think about them.
But much more basic irregularities in the net occur, where major yin-zones of those 2 or 4 nets coincide. A hero with a vulnerable heel, leg-calf or thigh should take care in those places. But if you want to marry an underground princess and bring fertility home to your community, go and dive in!! You see, Peregrine; every dowser has his own system of connotations and pays attention to different aspects of the nets. Following a drawing made by others can hamper your personal sensibility, which is to be built up under confrontations with "living" special places.
But of course; why not start with a hypothetical drawing. Then you`ll amend it along with results of your own experiments and after some three discarded hypotheses you`ll get at your own personal vision.
#3837 Neolithic Stone Balls
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on 20 May 2006 - 21:45
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#3834 Neolithic Stone Balls
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on 20 May 2006 - 17:59
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#3830 Megalithic Ideas
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on 20 May 2006 - 10:20
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Chapt.III - Sacredness of Nature and Cosmic Religion
"... Aside Cosmic Trees like the Ashtree Yggdrasil in German mythology, religion history knows of the Trees of Life (Mesopotamia), Trees of Immortality (Asia; Old Testament), Trees of Wisdom (Old Testament) and Trees of the Youth (Mesopotamia, Iran, India). The Tree is an expression of everything, which is real and sacred; of everything possessed by the gods of nature, which only some few humans can attain... That`s why the Trees with golden fruits and marvellous foliage, from the myths about Quests for Immortality and Eternal Youth,
- grow in far-away countries (in reality in the Otherworld)and are watched by monsters - gryphons, dragons ans monstrous snakes..."
So; good luck with your Quest and here`s my last advice. Look out for the Shadow of the Tree and try how it is to be its Fruit!!
#3825 The First European Pyramid?
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on 19 May 2006 - 22:21
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Carlo Ginzburg - "Ecstasies. Deciphering the Witches`Sabbath" , The University of Chicago Press, 2004; ISBN 0-226-29693-8
#3824 Neolithic Stone Balls
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on 19 May 2006 - 22:10
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#3822 The First European Pyramid?
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on 19 May 2006 - 18:40
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And those "lost civilizations" of Kevin. Yes, we`ve lost our previous civilization (or cultural formation) in Europe as recently as the Age of Enlightment. Before, illiterates were in majority among European societies. And they had their own oral culture and inherited ways of life, reaching back in some cases to the time of first neolithic agriculturalists. Warlords came and went; taxes were paid to alien masters in their manors but local people were living on as usual. Do you know that christianizing of a country in Central and Northern Europe (e.g. Poland, Russia, Scandinavia)was really a case of joining the all-European Christian jet-set by ruling pagan elites!? Some chapels were constructed in major castles, king`s representatitives baptized; major trade centres invaded with new Christian buildings and customs but people in the countryside were left in peace. As late as XVII c. the eastern areas of Polish Commonwealth (today`s Belarus) were treated by the catholic church as pagan areas, missionaries sent there and martyred by the locals.
Thanks to the ideas of Goethe and Herder - as well as brothers Grimm, parts of the oral traditions of the western European Lowlands (largely censored) has been saved for posteriority. It`s less known that much more complete materials has been registered by teachers in rural areas of the eastern part of Germany. There are detailed topographical descriptions of a multitude of sacred places used by local witches, their ceremonies, ways of initiation and their world of beliefs - which haven`t been superseded by templates forced through inquisitors on their minds during processes. How it was possible!? Simply, those teachers interviewed witches`grandchildren. First peasant generation that went to countryside schools laughed at those thousands-of-years traditions. But grandchildren listened happily to the narratives, which that time could be first disclosed to the public because of the previous natural disintegration of taboos surrounding witches`activity, i.e. local cults of forces of Nature.
My interest for dowsing has been awakened when studying those archive materials in Germany.
#3816 Megalithic Ideas
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on 19 May 2006 - 11:23
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I was trying to arrange for a common excursion to this place, where legendary Tings (Tagungen) of Goths were once located. All in vain.
A pity. We really need a living experience of a "special" place in our lives, to get a drive forward in our profane activities.
And at the Tingsplatz, there was a big flat rounded stone - covered with small holes, standing upright. In local guides, it was described as a paleolithic remnant and holes should be filled now and then with fat or honey for the spirits of nature (or maybe rather local "genius loci"!?). Curiously, a table nearby read that it`s a Slavonic cult stone. Oh, yes; how Germans could execute such primitive cult activities!? But back home, I`ve discovered that foundation stones of some medieval churches in Sweden are covered with similar holes.
"Eternal ideas" under work!? OK; I`m changing myself into an archaeologist for a while. Let`s count the number of holes. Does it fit to a possible number of "spirits of nature" or maybe a better fit we can get with the number of households around!? Kind of a hierarchy!?
An "omphalos" at the major tumulus - churches around (or stone circles!?) - individual households...
#3815 Megalithic Ideas
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on 19 May 2006 - 09:07
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If I`m not considering to undergo initiation into mysteries of Hekate, what to do otherwise!? What do we have in Mircea Eliade in this genre!? Well; in his "Images and Symbols" there`s an essay " Notes on the symbolism of molluscs" with such chapters:
- The Moon and the Waters; Symbolism of Fecundity; Ritual functions of Shells, etc.
Then, in his "Myths, dreams and mysteries" there`s Chapt.VIII: " Mother Earth and cosmic hierogamies" and maybe I could find something on the role of the Moon in such parts like: - "Terra genetrix"; Underground womb - The "Embrions"; Labyrinths !? ..Hmm
Aaah; Stonecarver. You`ve nailed me to my physical place in the Universe; so let`s better look around. Aha; those enigmatic stone balls of Gotland, found in the fields...Maybe they deserve a closer look!? And as I`m not a scientist and not interested in watching if my collegues have made a half-step forward...I`ll leave this Moon theme as it is; I mean - suspensed in Aither!?
#3814 Neolithic Stone Balls
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on 19 May 2006 - 08:22
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and connection among different objects . On the other hand, similar objects could be used to convey different ideas in the course of history.
1. When I dived into Swedish collections, it came out that artillery projectiles of late Middle Ages were of the diameter between 3,7 and 9,3 cm!! ( Take the way "Axtorna 1565 - Historia - Artilleriet" on google.com)
2. In the Historical Museum, Stockholm, there are 3 or 4 types of stone balls - see www.historiska.se/collections/mis/sok/resultat
They are undated (short."odat"); places where they were found and item Nos specified. Those with a cross on them are interesting to me. It seems that some of them belonged to some hand-mills!?
3. And now the biggest kind of stone balls. Take www.sr.se/gotland/gotlandrunt/bara.stm
There are big stone balls found in the fields on the photo 11. Those people ask about information what`s this and what to do with them.
So; Stonecarver; another heap of stone balls without meaning!?
Good luck
#3811 Megalithic Ideas
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on 18 May 2006 - 21:43
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Sacred vertical markers (wooden poles) were known in Younger Paleolithic. Old stone stelai with a "vulva" mark were known already in pre-megalithic Europe...
Dates for Asian countries are much later and "megalithic impulse"- coming from the West, lingered on in Oceania until quite recently. "Ex occidente lux" - as some writers maintain.
In this situation, talking about "megalithic ideas" - ever present in the history of mankind, rather than of a historical megalithic era, has its sense!? What do you think!?
#3810 Megalithic Ideas
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on 18 May 2006 - 21:11
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Well; European megalithic folklore has it that menhirs or circle stones are in a fact lithified people. And reasons for that were mostly some
transgressions of cult prescriptions.
In Celtic countries though, narratives involving stones as containers for souls awaiting reincarnation are also known. If so; could we form a hypothese that Medousa ( Ruleress!?) played once a major role both as a giver and a taker of life in Mediterranean megalithic traditions!?
I wonder if a similar spiritual entity can be found in Irish legends and folklore!? Alas, I know but a little about this tradition. So; could you help me out!?
Thanks in advance
#3809 Neolithic Stone Balls
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on 18 May 2006 - 20:49
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But as for your Scottish carved stone balls; some of them remind me of the many-breasted (!?) Artemis of Ephesos. Is there any chance they`ve been used to enhance fertility!? I kind of remember a discussion some years ago about small figurines of those Willendorff-type Venuses found sometimes in the contexts of first neolithic field areas on the continent. Some of your balls look could be an abstract symbol of this lady`s qualities!?
Just probing...
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